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    Mend Great Schism as heretic?

    Playing as the Doux of Athens, the Byzantine Emperor converted to the Monothelite heresy about 20 years into the game. I resisted converting for awhile but after he revoked the second holding I switched over. Fast forward 150 years and I've become Emperor and just took Jerusalem so I control all five Sees of the Pentarchy. I took Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria while still only a (powerful) Doux, and so I didn't get the event pop-up and prestige for those. I didn't even know there was an event, it's too bad it doesn't fire for a vassal who takes the holding also.

    But my bigger concern is that I don't have the decision to end the Schism. Is this possibly because I'm a heretic or maybe because I took control of the Sees before becoming Emperor?

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    Edit:

    I just tested it by converting back to Orthodox and the Decision does appear. I don't have enough piety to do it anyway, and I also gave away the bisophric of Antioch to the Monothelite Patriarch way back (seemed like the RP thing to do) which I'll need to get back. But it still appears that the event is only for Orthodox rulers, and not heretics. Too bad.
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    Last edited by dr eng1ish; 25-10-2012 at 06:48. Reason: added info

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    You must be Orthodox or an Orthodox heresy.

    Monothelite is a heresy of Coptic religion.

    The Coptic church wasn't historically involved in the Great Schism of 1054.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZechsMerquise73 View Post
    You must be Orthodox or an Orthodox heresy.

    Monothelite is a heresy of Coptic religion.

    The Coptic church wasn't historically involved in the Great Schism of 1054.
    No, Monothelite is an Orthodox heresy. Monophysite is (and I think the only) Coptic heresy.

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    In the game Monothelite is classed as an Orthodox heresy. From googling it does look more related to miaphysite/coptic in reality, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comradebot View Post
    No, Monothelite is an Orthodox heresy. Monophysite is (and I think the only) Coptic heresy.
    Monophysitism is a Coptic heresy? Heh. That'll please the Coptic fanbase, not so much the Old Calendarists.
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    the decision is in realm_decisions.txt and it requires you be orthodox


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    has_dlc = "Legacy of Rome"
    age = 16
    prisoner = no
    NOT = { trait = incapable }
    OR = {
    has_landed_title = e_byzantium
    has_landed_title = e_roman_empire
    }
    religion = orthodox
    NOT = { has_global_flag = schism_mended }
    }
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    Thanks Orinsul. I don't know anything about modding but can I change it to allow Monothelite character to do it also or is that part hardcoded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr eng1ish View Post
    Thanks Orinsul. I don't know anything about modding but can I change it to allow Monothelite character to do it also or is that part hardcoded?
    Change

    religion = orthodox

    to

    OR = {
    religion = orthodox
    religion = monothelite
    }

    but the effect would still be for Orthodox unless you also changed the events to take the FROM religion rather than be set to Orthodox always.
    Probably youd still need orthodox not monothelite patriarchs and etc, its probably easier just to use a cheat event to make everyone orthodox, fire the schism then use a cheat event to make everyone monothelite again.
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    So I looked around for awhile but I couldn't figure it out. I see a cheat to change my own religion, but I also need to change the Patriarchs' religions to enact the decision. And even then, after I cheat to get us back to Monothelite, any potential Westerners who convert will still be Orthodox right?

    Is there some way to change all characters and provinces of one religion to a different one?

    Edit: Also does anyone know where the event file is located? Event id = LoR.210 but I can't find it in the folders.
    Last edited by dr eng1ish; 30-10-2012 at 04:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr eng1ish View Post
    So I looked around for awhile but I couldn't figure it out. I see a cheat to change my own religion, but I also need to change the Patriarchs' religions to enact the decision. And even then, after I cheat to get us back to Monothelite, any potential Westerners who convert will still be Orthodox right?

    Is there some way to change all characters and provinces of one religion to a different one?

    Edit: Also does anyone know where the event file is located? Event id = LoR.210 but I can't find it in the folders.
    It's in events/schism_events.txt

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