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    Europa Universalis IV Development Diary 3 Your envoys are awaiting your orders!

    Welcome to another development diary about Europa Universalis IV (EU4)! This time we're talking about the envoys you have at your disposal.

    Throughout the Europa Universalis series, envoys have been resources you could spend to take certain actions in the game. “Envoy” is a word we actually use quite a lot internally, but probably not as much when describing the game to you all before. Still, you know what we mean. You would get a colonist and send him to make a colony. Get a missionary and send him to convert the heathen.

    In Europa Universalis IV (EU4), prepare for the fact that the envoys and how they are used have undergone major changes. In Europa Universalis IV (EU4), envoys are not treated as resources and will, to a larger extent be persons at your disposal that take actions by your command. It's a subtle difference, but we'll clarify it shortly.
    Envoys are still used to make alliances, create colonies or take spy actions, but it quite different ways.

    First of all, as we mentioned in the last development diary, the spies and the magistrates has been cut with a sharp blade. You can read about the reasons here. (Link to previous devdiary)
    We are absolutely keeping the diplomats, colonists, merchants and missionaries in EU4, however you will see that their behavior will change.

    Monetary cost for envoys have been removed
    In a move that may surprise some people, we have completely removed the monetary cost for the envoys. We've done this for a few reasons. .
    First of all, removing the cost means that we can simulate the abilities of poorer or smaller countries being able to do things on the same scale as others. So a vast Portuguese colonial empire is more likely to happen. This was difficult to make possible in the old model - unless you gave country-specific price reductions or made the cost irrelevant for richer countries.

    Secondly, removing the monetary cost removes the consistency issue that existed in Europa Universalis III (EU3) for newcomers to the games. Having some envoy actions (diplomacy, magistrates) cost nothing while the others required some cash could be confusing.

    Finally, removing the monetary cost reduces the number of ways the AI has to screw up handling money. This means fewer potential ways for the player to exploit the AI and fewer drawbacks for the AI when it looks at its options. We hope this will make the game more challenging for you as a player.

    Your number of envoys will be your limit
    All of this adds up to the only limit on your envoy actions being the number of envoys you have at your disposal. Therefore you should not be limited by the amount of money you have. But it also means that if you have three diplomats, you can only have three diplomatic actions going at once. More on this shortly.

    No connective between diplomats/colonists and leader recruitment
    We have removed the connection between diplomats/colonists and the recruitment of leaders. It was never any actual restriction for the player and with the other changes it made sense to change it.

    Envoys are now separate entities
    The biggest change for you is the concept that envoys will no longer be a resource that accrues value that increases every month. All envoys are now entities that are assigned to a mission and sent on the mission, similar to how you give your court members tasks in Crusader Kings II. And, while the envoys are on their missions, they will not available to do anything else than the mission you have assigned to them. We feel that it will create more interesting strategic decisions for you as a player.

    Because if you only have two diplomats, what will you do? Do you want both of your diplomats out on missions, or do you want to keep one at home?
    Missions also take time to perform from start or end, so this naturally keeps your envoys occupied for a certain point of time, especially since their travel time is also taken into account.Envoys becomes less an object you need to spend and more active participants in your national policy.

    The Diplomats
    Some of the diplomats actions will still be instant, but quite a few will now be missions that the diplomats are assigned. Diplomats will also do some of the actions that spies did previously in EU3. We promise, we will go into detail on new aspects of the diplomats and their actions over several development diaries before the game releases, so stay with us!

    The Missionaries
    The missionaries will work as before, in that you give them a mission to convert a province to your chosen faith, and they have a chance every month to succeed. The only difference is that the amount of missionaries you will have at your disposal will limit the amount of activity you can do in parallel.
    This hard limit on simultaneous conversions will make religious ideas a more important option for anyone that is interested in conquering a lot of people of another faith.

    The Merchants & Colonists
    The merchants and colonists will perform actions similar to EU3, but we'll go into detail regarding those later

    So when you use envoys in Europa Universalis IV (EU4), it will be more about strategic choices of where to use them and when to use them, instead of simply putting them to work as soon as you can afford them. In our testing so far, this has proven to be a rather dramatic change, and one that is greatly appreciated by the players. So we really hope you will enjoy envoys!
    This was all for now, next week we will talk about the budget and the new economy system.

    Here's a screenshot showing some new stuff...

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    Istria

    Is this the final map?

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    A good change, but i wonder : Is there number is fix? Or it will change in function of your number of provinces/technology/something else?

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    Do you get envoys randomly or do you recruit them like advisors?

    Can an event or decision give you an envoy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Forseti View Post
    Do you get envoys randomly or do you recruit them like advisors?
    no and no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether911 View Post
    A good change, but i wonder : Is there number is fix? Or it will change in function of your number of provinces/technology/something else?
    The numbers depend on similar things like EU3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VI Imre View Post
    Istria

    Is this the final map?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VI Imre View Post
    Istria

    Is this the final map?
    I frankly hope not, there is much that could be changed.

    But that's it. The news about the envoys are great.

    EDIT: Dev-ninja'd.

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    The loss of monetary cost is perfect. Hopefully it will lead to a more dynamic trade experience.

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    How can you keep saying "more on this later"?
    Sounds like some nice concepts though

    As a final note; the repeated "Europa Universalis IV (EU4)" really annoys me. Please fix it to eithe Europa "Universalis IV" or "EU4"
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    So is there a hard limit on each type of envoy, or on your total envoys? Also, the cities just look great.

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    I'm warily optimistic about this.

    Why wary? In Divine Wind, Magistrates were presented much in this way, and ended up being solely a "nerf system" meant to hamper large (ie, player-sized) realms forthe sake of hampering them, without bringing anything to the table. But in fact, an Empire with 100 provinces should have VASTLY more diplomatic power than a 10 province small kingdom. I'm highly curious to know whether this will be the case, whether an expanded realm will be able to more or less maintain proportional influence, or whether we're being pigeonholed into "small is better" again, ala DW...

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    This is a very good change, I do like how the council works in CK2 and this seems similar enough. How will envoys be recruited though? I can see that they are named.

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    Thanks for the DevDiary and for Istria.

    Sounds pretty interesting that the envoys will work now like the advisors in CKII. Considering the importance of some ambassadors in these ages, the new mechanic fits much better in the time frame of Europa Universalis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    no and no.
    Well if they're not a resource that accrues over time, the game doesn't pop up saying "X has arrived, should we hire him" nor can you say "I have a free slot, I'll recruit an X" then how do you get them?

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    I love the idea of the envoys being actual guys you send around... adds depth. Would be great if they could be assigned skill levels.

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    Will your envoys have names and skills of their own (like Ulrich von Schwartzwald, the great diplomat of Fantasia) or they will be faceless and equal in every means?

    EDIT: Seems RedRalphWiggum got to this point first

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