Do any of levels of crown authority work?

[ScarecrowFive]

Just got the game on friday spent all weekend forming the kingdom of Germany having started as Austria. So when I finally managed to declare the independence from the HRE and win. Passed Medium Crown Authority and noticed my vassals' vassals were still having little wars. Looked it up on the forums and I guess that it just stops MY direct vassals. Seems mostly pointless but as long as it kept my dukes separated I was willing to let that pass. Couple Monarchs later I finally managed to pass High Authority simply because I was tired of a county being inherited by a foreign lord and having to fight wars to get it back. Anyway I passed it and noticed my inheritance warnings did not go away. So I just let it play out not interfering and sure enough one of my Duchies was inherited by the queen of Greece. Oh and before I forget he was a direct vassal which made me feel more slighted.

I searched the forums for a bit but the only thing I could find to the relation of Crown Authority not working was the sub vassals still warring it out. So is it a bug or is that working as intended? I hope its a bug because then there doesn't seem to be any reason to get medium let alone go any higher up with the Authority.

[dauncosony]

Crown Authority only applies to the de jure realm. If you hold Castille and Leon lands and the Kingdom of Leon title exists, then the Kingdom of Leon CA will apply. If the Kingdom of Leon title does not exist, then Castillan CA will apply. The reason why your vassals war is because of this and that a vassal can always declare war on their liege. These little wars are by the counts declaring war on their Duke vassals.

[ScarecrowFive]

Thanks for the explanation that helps me understand the little vassal sub wars. But how about the Higher Crown Authority not stopping a foreign lord from inheriting my dukes lands? That one that really bugged me.

[GamingHUD]

Thanks for the explanation that helps me understand the little vassal sub wars. But how about the Higher Crown Authority not stopping a foreign lord from inheriting my dukes lands? That one that really bugged me.

That works. Its also probably why the King of France seems so intent on trying to pass High Crown Authority in his realm...

[ScarecrowFive]

So Higher Crown Authority does work then? I'll chalk it up to being a bug or because there was an inheritance issue before I passed the law then. Thanks for the explanations and confirmations.

[Mutineer]

Yes, in my expirience crown autority does what it suppous to do. If you want to greatly reduce amount of inwars, try to stop plots and expecially attempts to fabricate claims by vassals. Typically count fabricate claim on duchy and the revolt agains his liege (duke) and call all relatives to figth and suddenly half of your realm figth other half. Easiest way to stop is to prevent that count to fabricate claim in a first place.

[AUTOMATIC]

On the kingdom map mode, when you hover over a province, it is explicitly stated which laws apply there.

[Samuil]

The worst thing is, several counts fight to depose a duke, you can not intervene, they win, and switch over to Skane, which is fighting an independance war with Denmark (they are in de jure Sweden, and in Sweden).
So now it would take me 50-60 years and bloody wars to get them integrated back into the realm.

[Motleycrue]

Thanks for the explanation that helps me understand the little vassal sub wars. But how about the Higher Crown Authority not stopping a foreign lord from inheriting my dukes lands? That one that really bugged me.

I jump at this topic because I also wonder, what happen if a foreign lord "should" inherit a county of yours ?
And then if this lord is also under high crown law ?
And which crown law apply ? That of the county himself ? The duchy capital ?

[kardwill]

And which crown law apply ? That of the county himself ? The duchy capital ?

AFAIK, the crown law of the de jure Kingdom.
So, if you're an Irish king with a de-jure scottish vassal, the crown laws of Scotland will apply to this vassal.

For the other laws, though (inheritance, taxes...), Things get a little fuzzy.

[ScarecrowFive]

On the kingdom map mode, when you hover over a province, it is explicitly stated which laws apply there.

It was the Duchy of Franconia and it was part of the dejure kingdom of Germany. So I checked like you said and it said dejure Higher Crown Authority was in effect, yet it was still inherited by the queen of Greece. I just want to say that it was caused because the Inheritance issue was there prior to me passing the law.

[whosthebestcop]

Yeah you got caught in the exception. If you already had a warning then switched to HCA that person outside your kingdom will still inherit. But if you passed it before the warning then it would have prevented it.

I'm not sure if this is WAD sounds like an overlooked bug.

[Antalia]

Yeah you got caught in the exception. If you already had a warning then switched to HCA that person outside your kingdom will still inherit. But if you passed it before the warning then it would have prevented it.

Switching CA up to medium while vassals are already fighting each other (assuming it's not due to plots, not vassal-vs.-liege) also does not stop their wars. But it stops them from the disallowed type of war in the future. Of course, note (as has been said) that wars from plots and vassal-vs.-liege wars can still be fought on any level of crown authority.

I think vassals are also still allowed to fight against vassals in other kingdoms besides their own, even if all the kingdoms have the same king, and when crown authority is medium+ in all involved territory. (Those two-county-wide kingdoms in Iberia are a pain in the neck, and I wish I'd known about all this before I created them.)

The in-game wording for Medium Crown Authority could certainly stand to be more clear about what is and isn't allowed, in any case.

[HelloGoodSir]

Crown Authority only applies to the de jure realm.

This is not true, it is more complicated than that. To the best of my understanding it works something like this:

Rule 1: If your capital is in the de jure of an empire and any character holds that title, the laws of that empire apply to you.

Rule 2: If your capital is in the de jure of a kingdom and any character holds that title, the laws of that kingdom apply to you.

Rule 3: If you are the direct vassal of an emperor or king then the laws of that empire or kingdom apply to you, even if you are not in its de jure area.

Rule 4: The laws of the de jure kingdom apply.

The first rule that applies takes precedence. So let's say that you are a duke in Italy and a vassal of the HRE. The laws of the HRE apply to you (because of rule 3), until you rebel (rule 3 nor longer applies, so use rule 4) or someone creates the kingdom of Italy (rule 2 trumps rule 3). Then the laws of Italy apply to you.

[ScarecrowFive]

After further play I can also confirm that my vassals can become the Emperor of the HRE despite being an independent Germany at which point they will take their territories and join the HRE. Very annoying as entirely dismantling the HRE is quite the pain... Does that seem like a bug or is that working as intended too?

[Mutineer]

They join empire, which lows take pricendence. So, I think this work as intended.

[Lord Samuel]

This is not true, it is more complicated than that. To the best of my understanding it works something like this:

Rule 1: If your capital is in the de jure of an empire and any character holds that title, the laws of that empire apply to you.

Rule 2: If your capital is in the de jure of a kingdom and any character holds that title, the laws of that kingdom apply to you.

Rule 3: If you are the direct vassal of an emperor or king then the laws of that empire or kingdom apply to you, even if you are not in its de jure area.

Rule 4: The laws of the de jure kingdom apply.

The first rule that applies takes precedence. So let's say that you are a duke in Italy and a vassal of the HRE. The laws of the HRE apply to you (because of rule 3), until you rebel (rule 3 nor longer applies, so use rule 4) or someone creates the kingdom of Italy (rule 2 trumps rule 3). Then the laws of Italy apply to you.

Thank you for this explanation, it's very clear and useful.

[The Blood Eagle]

I love when I've been at absolute CA for decades, but every now and again the inheritor for Norfolk or Lancaster will just instantly turn independent. Usually they accept calls for vassalization, but WTF.