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    Appoint your sons to inherit lands.

    Currently under gavelkind succession law game randomly chooses counties and dutchies for your heirs to inherit.What if we had more control over successors like with appointing church vassals under free investiture?For example in diplomacy screen we could click appoint succesor to XXX county and to XXX county.In this case you could give your heir best counties to inherit.To avoid exploits another sons would get negative opinion if your heir gets too many counties.

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    What would prevent you from giving someone totally poor/useless provinces? Holy war Finmark, Lappland, Finland - grant that wrong religion recently conquered wrong culture so someone you dislike?
    By law he has a claim on some provinces, and you are putting yourself above the law imo...
    I vote -1
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    Simply make it so that receiving poor lands (could be determined by, say, wrong culture and/or wrong religion?) gives an opinion malus. You don't seriously think that holdings were distributed completely at random under real gavelkind and that everyone was always happy with the share they received even if nominally 'even', do you? It wasn't like the one being inherited from didn't choose who got what. They didn't just randomly roll a dice!

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    I think it is an excellent idea. And it should account for titles from your wife/husband too. I mean if the Duke of Hereford is married to the Duchess of Normandy and they have two boys, then perhaps they would come to the agreement that one son would inherit Hereford from the father and the other son would inherit Normandy from the mother. Or in one game I handed out all duchies to my children, except for the capital one. then when I died all my sons got single counties from the remaining duchy, rather than the oldest getting all, since all the other sons had kinda gotten their share already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velger View Post
    Simply make it so that receiving poor lands (could be determined by, say, wrong culture and/or wrong religion?) gives an opinion malus. You don't seriously think that holdings were distributed completely at random under real gavelkind and that everyone was always happy with the share they received even if nominally 'even', do you? It wasn't like the one being inherited from didn't choose who got what. They didn't just randomly roll a dice!
    +1 my thoughts exactly.Current system does not make sense tbh.

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    Who says, that the heirs will actually follow up on the inheritance decree, once the old king is dead? They may just decide to split it the way they want, not the way the old man did.

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    That still isn't random, and it seems pretty unlikely that if the holdings given weren't truly even -- and really, what in life is perfectly fair, ever? -- that the son in the best position would simply agree to randomly split up his inheritance without a fight.

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    After watching the heir to the ERE not inherit Constantinople under Gavelkind, I have decided that I want to get out of it as quickly as possible in all circumstances.

    In short, it breaks up duchies between heirs (i.e. I have two duchies and two heirs. Each duchy has three counties. The assignment of counties doesn't go with the duchy that each son inherits, instead, each gets a random selection from the two duchies), it doesn't always send the capital to the primary heir, it has bugs with dead daughters, etc.

    I find it far too frustrating to be worth it. Pretty much any other succession is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamey View Post
    After watching the heir to the ERE not inherit Constantinople under Gavelkind, I have decided that I want to get out of it as quickly as possible in all circumstances.
    It can be even worse than that if you are a young duke holding many duchies and die suddenly, leaving multiple infant sons. Gavelkind: the nightmare scenario that keeps Feudal Lords awake at night.

    The first thing I do before unpausing (if possible) is switch to elective. Choosing who gets what under Gavelkind wouldn't even make it better, unless you could arbitrarily disinherit sons. Some people seem to think the succession laws are "balanced" however so good luck convincing them. Gavelkind objectively sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moltke View Post
    Gavelkind objectively sucks.
    You should have a choice of holdings to give to pretenders instead of it being automatically decided.
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