Does Chivalry Medieval Warfare compare to Wars of the Roses? I think not.

[HeroCrusher]

Chivalry has won out for me... Chivalry offers dedicated server files to their players... need I say more?

Also Chivalry has some great modes like FFA and objective mode... FFA is great for lopping your friends head off... Objective mode offers some fun stuff. For example... trying to burn down the enemy village and crops while they try to kill you... pushing a kart full of plagued corpses into their water supply while they try to stop you...

I loved WOTR and my favorite thing was playing CAV but since I came back from my trip to find Cav and XP nerfed into the ground... I have no motivation to play long enough to unlock a broken Cav class.. So WOTR, TY It's been fun!

OH AND DID I FORGET TO MENTION... WOTR Dev's listen to the cry babies and have carried out more nerfs then the Diablo III team... Pretty sad. If they had left the game the way it was on release it would have been great...

[Snuffeldjuret]

I'm actualy wary of anyone who starts their argument with 'so you say'. They're invariably going to attempt to misquote, or are not too bright and don't understand. I did not type any of the script you 'so you say'd' above, so which of the two are you? ...

Really? You let emotive forum arguments decide what games you buy? I don't myself. I use demos,vids, reviews and opinions of friends and the like for my purchasing opinions. I'm really glad I don't purchase like you, friend.

First of all I think you are trying a bit too much to insult me, but I'll let that pass.

Secondly as we disagree what the quote of you actually mean I ask, what do you really mean with:

... Such is not the case. WotR has a shocking amount of clueless mouth breathers in it's ranks. Every bill stabber and multi-shield basher is one, for example. These are the epitome of people who don't think. Then there's archers. I'm not referring to skilled bowmen who are an asset to their team, but to the legions of retards who just hang back on control maps and pluck away. You can literally predict which team will lose a control game by seeing how many archer they have. If you're on a team with them, no amount of exortation will get them to move their dull-witted arses forward to take and hold control points. They absolutely have no idea what they're doing. If you're stuck on a team with them it's infuriating to do all the work while they cluelessly stand halfway back the map shooting and missing. If you're on a team opposing these clowns it's hilarious, you can literaly win a control game in a matter of minutes. I've played some mornings where a few hard working players would cajole, explain,threaten and cry to these massed 'bowmen' to at least move forward and help take a control point, but they're so daft they don't even reply, and -really, no hyperbole- game after game is lost. They just don't get it. No, there is very little thinking required in WotR.
Contrast this with the varied objectives in Chiv; everything from moving and protecting corpse carts and siege machines to protecting kings. Whole strategies exist to dominate variable, fluid objectives. Chiv's gameplay is magnitutes more sophisticated than WotR.

which was your reply to

Feels like you have to think alot more in WOtR. Where as in Chivalry it feels really arcady

I too of course use demos,vids, reviews and opinions of friends and the like for my purchasing opinions. I am undecided about Chivalry, which is why emotive forum arguments effect me. In many cases you get the truth when emotions rule compared to restraint.

[Chopy]

I too of course use demos,vids, reviews and opinions of friends and the like for my purchasing opinions. I am undecided about Chivalry, which is why emotive forum arguments effect me. In many cases you get the truth when emotions rule compared to restraint.

I really would recommend getting it , considering it's low pricepoint.Playing both Chiv and WOTR is cool , as it never gets stale , you can switch back and forth.Also it's nice to support TornBanner , there is never too much medieval fighting games. Also amount of game-modes is very refreshing . after WOTR.

[Shad_Devil]

Yes, so?

Then you can`t claim he was merely down-talking WotR. If you want to down-talk something, you don`t let it come out top of the other game. Your Argument is obviously flawed
in that regard.

I never said you said. I said he said parrying was useless (if I recall correctly, only seen it once) and that he thought there were no significant penalty for missing a swing.
Parrying and missing are big deals when you play with better people. Which means that the game has depth, which is another thing TB sort of complained about.

He never said that melee was useless, he said he wasn`t a fan of the Charge-Mechanic which makes people run around with charged attacks, which looks a bit silly at times. He DID also say that
missing a parry was "rarely punished". Now this you can argue against but in a direct confrontation between the Damage in Chiv and WotR, a missed Parry in Chiv is much worse than in WotR if
we assume that the Attacker hits normally.

No, 48 is just a number like "X hours played". Amount of time invested in a game is not equivalent with skill, some skill sets only really develops globally when you play
against better and better opponents the more you play. Two days ago a mate dodged my slash to his face btw, that was when I realized it is something you can really utilize.

Not quite true. I have put in a LOT of Game Time in WotR, 77 hours since Alpha, and am at Rank 32 or 33, I think. Seeing someone higher than me can mean two things:
1) A No-Lifer who only plays WotR constantly.
2) Someone who has good skills and therefore gets higher scores than me regularly.

While 1) is possible in some occurrences, just playing a lot will also improve your skills and lets you find out all the small tricks and tactics that make you go to
the Top of the Charts, so to speak. And I admit to failing to mention that during those times, I have seen many of these Veterans fight quite magnificently, so I know
that they had skills.

The ocurrence with your friend was on a Duel Server, I reckon? I can see a Crouch-Dodge as being viable in an
honorable Duel but since a crouch make you stop dead for an instant, no matter how fast you were a moment ago,
it brings the advantage towards the Attacker..and if there is more than one attacker, such a Tactic would be
suicidal, imO. Since TB was reviewing actual Gameplay in official Modes...nuff said.

Are you saying I throw away opinions without looking at the evidence or offering my own arguments?

It was meant mainly as a General way of seeing things but to tell the truth, in this instance, yes, I do. All you have done till now
was to misquote TB, taking his arguments and twisting them. You rarely respond directly to my full arguments and instead focus on a part
you think you can discredit.

Let us look at this Sentence of yours for example:

"I think he is talking against himself when he says stuff like "noone is parrying in pub since it's better to just spam down all them noobs" in conjunction
with "WotR doesn't have a deep multiplayer" (paraphrasing ofc). He prefers to play Chivalry and as the cynical brit he claims he is, he chooses to down talk WotR for no valid reason. "

TB never said that noone is parrying in pub, he also never mentions the terms "spam down all them noobs" While you admit that you are paraphrasing, the "" suggest to everyone reading this
who haven`t seen the review, that TB has thrashtalked in this manner. Instead he said that the Attacks sometimes feel floaty without much force behind them. And the part you seem so intend
to focus on is "while countering and riposte Mechanics are included in WotR, the gameplay seem not to encourage that behaviour a great deal since wildly swinging can sometimes be more effective
due to missed swings being rarely punished"
As mentioned above, I have put in a lotta Time into WotR and have seen exactly this.
-Attacking with a castillon, only making 3-4 damage against medium Armor sometimes...force, what force?
-Flailing people who merely get lucky by landing face-crits while I tried to fight more orderly.
-Missing Parrys and not feeling a hint of damage due to my armor or because my footwork was good enough to make the other miss.

That being said, I don`t mind this at all. It is the Mechanic in WotR and it is good. I like having the possibility of screwing up and not
suffering horribly at once.

Oh yes, and the "he chooses to down talk WotR for no valid reason." of your sentence...he explains each and every reason
he brings up. That is his own opinion, of course...and you throw them away as not valid because you don`t like them and, to
mention it again, claim he down talks WotR, which isn`t true as I said above.

[Snuffeldjuret]

I'm gonna save us both some time and not respond to that even though people without their own opinion will interpret that as me being wrong and you right. I don't have time to carefully articulate what I disliked and what I found inconsistent in the TB video.

[Magetus]

I dont personally own Chiv. But what i have watched the game loosk really arcade. Its like CS with autoaim, if you catch my drift. I love WOTR, ofcourse it has its own flaws, but i am sure they will get them fixed, now that they have their own team dedicated to this game. So what i see in the future, are those almost same game modes, but with just much more options and diversity. Me myself i dont see how could chiv won a contest with WOTR in the terms of diversity. But theres still a big point coming. They are both for different player types. Chiv for more arcade like players who just want to play maybe 1-2 hours when they are not bored etc. And then the competitive type of gamers. Who like to have effect on every aspect of the game. This is like comparing COD series to CS series.... No point at all. They are both "shooting games" (FPS) But really different skillset etc. Or like DOTA and LOL. Ofcourse mastering them either on of them needs MUCH practise, but the other one is still harder. And its a fact.

[blubasso]

To answer the main topic: i have WotR and i saw Chivalry 2 in youtube so my impressions are from something i just saw and no tryed personally.
I think Chivalry 2 is a bit immediate than WotR, as playability. I don't like the graphic at all and the warrior animations are ugly. I saw just slash but could be i saw them just in those vids. In general i saw ugly hraphics but a good playability than WotR.
I prefer WotR: difficult to master and very good to see it.
But of course this is just my opinion, i don't want to say one is best and one is rubbish

[Chopy]

I dont personally own Chiv. But what i have watched the game loosk really arcade. Its like CS with autoaim, if you catch my drift.

No i don't. Your statement made as much sense , as shooting with swords.

[MadcatGTs]

No i don't. Your statement made as much sense , as shooting with swords.

Well, if ya have full hearts you can shoot with a sword...

But on topic. I tried chivalry but the game is, as people say very arcady. I use to play Age of Chivalry a lot, and it was quite fun but had its share of problems as well. Chivalry Really didn't change much from Age of Chivalry, they play mostly the same. Though with a few new things. Personally i got burn out on Age of Chivalry, and Chivalry does not fix any of the old problems, it more or less just made them more pronounced in some ways. Though for making their own stand alone game, it still looks like a mod.

[eorl]

If anything, Chivalry wins purely based on the fact I can boot up my own dedicated server and actually KICK AND BAN people. I'm also not paying $150 for a 64 slot server which is utterly ridiculous and down right theft.

[falrinth]

Chivalry have much better athsmohpere with all those voice commands, screams, battlecries, blood brutal decapitations, dynamic charges, kicks etc... But combat there is to chaotic for me - i prefer the combat in wotr, although it lacks in all the other areas compared to chivalry. Both are bad atm for me. But wotr may get better if they fix those tones of issues and finish it.

[Rickenbacker]

Anything with non-fantasy magic is welcomed by me.

I just wish they'd remove the fantasy magic from WotR (magical squad spawning and insta-teleport-rushes).

[Evermore]

Both games feel and look completely different. I own both and i have fun in both. I don't play wotr or chivalry both as the content is a little stale and clusters of people swinging wildly always happen. You're comparing apples to oranges. They are both fun, play both :P?