this is in refference to the game Im currently in where I first united Italy and claimed France in a Crusade, even though I own enough land I cant create Francia because my character is Itallian and not Frankish. would this be something to change for the new Empires added so that if a poweful foreign King should conquer the requisite lands they can crown themselves Emperor? Im stupidly powerful as it is but I want to be an Emperor not a king anymore
Culture shift to Frankish.
I should go.
how would that even work? all the vassals I have in France are all Italian. because I won it by a crusade all the title holders there were banished so I had to replace them with my own
Marry into a claim on the HRE or get a papal blessing for Invasion, would be the best solution. Aside, of course, from peacefully getting elected HRE. The latter is by far the easiest path for a King or Queen of Italy to gain Imperial distinction.
Aye, Italy is one of those "phantom" zones of no Empires. I have a similar thing going with my run as a Pomeranian. I could try and get the HRE, but that just doesn't sit right with me. Eh, guess I'll keep gunning for Lithuania and be a dual-king someday.
I wouldn't call it a "phantom" zone - the Mezzogiorno is de jure Eastern Roman Empire, and the north belongs to the Holy Roman Empire at the start of the 1066 Scenario. There's not empire in Italy because it's pretty much divided between the two Roman Empires.Originally Posted by Comradebot
It Actually should be divided 3 ways. As the Papacy held the general Territorial regions you see at 1066 start for well over a century.
It should be: The HRE in the north.
The Papacy in the center
And Byzantium on the bottom
In Terms of De Jure lands at least
It is actually really easy to add an de jure italian empire yourself. You just have to edit some files. It took me no more than 4 minutes to do it myself.
In my minimod I renamed the Empire of Francia as the "Romano-Frankish Empire" (a kind of revisited Carolingian WRE) and included Italy de jure in it, Rome is its capital. Clearly I edited the cultural requirements to form the Empire of Francia to make it available to Italians as well, and removed the extra outside kingdom requirement.
I hope the devs do something about this when "The Legacy of Rome" comes. I foresee some options: an "Empire of Italia" / WRE / Roman Empire comprising Italy and Sicily (and possibly Venice and the Papacy), giving Italy to Francia like I did or to the HRE (bad solution gameplay-wise even if historical) or even better, make it a very special kingdom on the Empire de jure map the control of which allows you to claim Roman legitimacy according to a new Translatio Imperii mechanics.
I don't get the culture requirements for empires. So who cares if a title that never existed before is held by the actual liege of 80% of the land inside, no matter where he's from?
It might matter historically, but then again, no expansion the OP described is historical in any way.
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The reason why northern Italy has no empire is probably because during the middle age (and probably still now) every italian city wanted to stay on his own (as little "Comuni"). But if we want to be tradiotionalist, there should be no de jure italian kingdom :\ but leaving the kingdom outside the HRE trigger a lot of rebellions (due to the non de jure liege) that well simulates the rebellious region that was northern Italy in middle age with the HRE.
There's one thing I don't really get about the Empire of Francia: to create it, you can't be king of France/Acquitaine/Brittany/Borgogne. So? Do you have to become King of Navarra in order to create the Empire of Francia?
There was, is and will be only one empire, which should have a claim in Italy
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There is empire for Italians: Latin Empire. Kick those Byzantines and restore the glory of Rome.
You can become HRE or even ERE. Here you go, you're now a roman emperor which is recognized by at least one of the two major branches of Christianity.
ERE includes, of course, the Latin Empire.
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I agree. If I'm a Catholic Sicilian and I have conquered all of Arabia, who cares that I am not Arabic, I should get the distinction of Emperorship.
Propably all Arabs folks wouldn't be satisfied.
But if you serve in that capacity as emperor long enough, the office should culture shift, I feel.
It seems a bit silly not being able to crown myself emperor of France or something considering Im stupidly powerful and more or less the equal in terms total levies of the HRE. Im King of Italy, Sicily, France, Aquatine, Aragon, Castille, Leon, and Galacia; land ownership is certainly not the problem
I think it would be awesome if they added an "Empire of Italia" that could become the Western Roman Empire or "Latin" Empire (mirror of Byzantine I guess) through translatio imperii. That's been one of my biggest goals is to recreate an Italian Western Roman Empire at it's historical borders and help the Byzantines survive as well.
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