A pagan Europe

[gnosis89]

Well I am currently playing a campaign as Lithuania (started in 1356) and I am in the process of re-converting all of my provinces to Baltic pagan. I am going to try and convert the majority of Europe to paganism yet again, but it is proving to be rather difficult, and I am simply re-converting my own provinces right now. Poland with their PU war right at the get go with the Orders as their allies, it's quite interesting. Anyone have any advice as to how to go about converting these heretics to believing in multiple gods yet again?

I always enjoyed the concept of giving the Christian faiths of Europe (mainly Catholicism) a taste of their own brutality as a pagan country, it just wasn't as "enjoyable" with an Islamic nation, because in the end it's still the same Abrahamic God, and they were just as brutal as their Christian counterparts in many instances (in regards to conversion, conquest etc...).

[DDRJake]

If I'm not mistaken, Pagan countries have the decision to revert back to catholicism if they border a catholic country. The AI always seems to take it so you should either remove the decision or snake your way around Europe to remove such borders.

The only feasable way to convert them though is to annex and release as vassals since you are completely different religious groups.

[gnosis89]

Yes, I am afraid I may have to give up the dream of converting the majority of Europe to paganism without the aid of consul cheats, because it's VERY difficult. If I am not dealing with revolts I am dealing with multiple holy wars at any given time. I am going to continue trying, however I am not so sure of my chances....

[Mixxer5]

Don't You have a holy war CB? Also- You can expand on the east for some time until You're big and powerful enough to convert whole western Europe.

[DDRJake]

Pagans and Hindus do not get Holy War.

[SirkTheMonkey]

Pagans and Hindus do not get Holy War.

They don't? I thought...

AND = {
    NOT = { religion_group = christian }
    secularism_theocracy = 1
    THIS = { religion_group = christian }
}

... would let them get them get it against Christians (and Muslims for the matching condition).

[DDRJake]

It wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong. That said I tend to have Secular empires.

[Mixxer5]

Well- giving pagans HW would be fair at least (Lithuania is too often crushed in first few years) altogether with some bonuses.

[DDRJake]

Yes but I cannot think of any historical examples of a Pagan country waging Holy War in this timeframe.

[Mixxer5]

Because Lithuania was only Pagan country existing by this time :P It can be some other CB- Lithuania was conquering Ruthenian lands without thinking about infamy- whole Europe (and big part of Asia) hated them.

[gigau]

Lithuania gets the Holy War cb... just need to be theocratic enough. I won't make an exception just because it's the only pagan nation left in Europe.

[Mixxer5]

Ok. But consider strengthening them... they tend to get destroyed in first months sometimes.

[gigau]

Ok. But consider strengthening them... they tend to get destroyed in first months sometimes.

Not sure how yet, but i don't think that giving them the holy war cb will solve their weakness (weakness which is all relative, given the Lithuanian expansions that i witness in y test games).

[Mixxer5]

I suppose it's like with Hungary- sometimes they stagnate but mostly they blob (most of people see them blobbing though). I wouldn't mind Lithuania reduced to OPM (not so fast though...) but it happens too often. How about increasing strength of their forts until they Christianize?

[gigau]

Not sure why increase the fort defenses...

[Mixxer5]

Well- they won't blob to hell but they'll be harder to conquer.

[gigau]

I'm not fond of the idea. Let me do some research...

[SirkTheMonkey]

I'm not fond of the idea. Let me do some research...

If my time playing Crusader Kings II can count as research, Pagans are a pain in the proverbial to conquer because those darned Warrior Cults give them massive amounts of troops to defend their lands.

[gigau]

Don't know if it counts per se, but at least, it gives me a lead

[Mixxer5]

I've seen (only seen) CK2 game where Prussians crushed Poland and made huge pagan empire. Whole eastern Europe was pagan...

My idea about strengthening forts is clearly for game only- I know it doesn't make much sense, but fall of such big country in few months seriously disturbs the balance in whole Europe. Try to give them Catholic religion for a while and let's see how long they can survive.