Age of Uncertainty (Alternate History) Mod

[CocoBZ]

^TehBoss answered the question regarding the Russian territorial gains, they gained the land as a result of the A-H Civil War.

[VI Imre]

Hungary is to big...if you want to follow ethnic lines, Transcarpathia should certainly go to ether Slovakia or Russia. Bratislava should stay with Slovakia, since most of the area was mostly inhabited by Slovaks, while the city was majorly Hungarian/German...that was the case in most AH cities. Only region Hungarians had majority was Miercurea Ciuc. Przemysl should go to Poles and Cernauti to Russians (i don't know why...just seems right ). Pola shoudn't be Croatian national territory since it had Slovenian/Italian majority. Same thing with Petrograd and Hungary. Maybe Dubrovnik to Bosnia or Serbia (due to it's isolation from the rest of Croatia). Also, Bulgaria shouldn't have cores on Tetovo, and Pirot shouldn't be in Bulgaria (at least not core)...

Chust province was rather unpopulated and it's mainly a natural border province. I belive it should stay with Hungary since most of the population was roman catholic or greek catholic and they would rather stay with the roman catholic Hungary then to be ruled by russian orthodox. Slovakia is an option as well but the population is Ruthen so I don't belive they would select Slovakia had a revolution emerged. Either way, Russia is not an option.

Cluj and Oradea are also Hungarian majority (especially if there was some kind of migration, Romanian to the South, Hungarians and Germans to the North). Arad and Timisoara were discussed earlier. Bistritia is Romanaian majority but a natural borderline as well and it would disconnect the parts of Hungary. Turda should go to Romania.

Petrograd province should either be Serb or Hungarian. Harde question, should be split, the north is Hungarian and the south is Serb. Since you can't do that and there is no industry or resource in the province I say it should stay the way it is for the sake of nicer borders.

The province of Bratislava was still Hungarian-German almost 2/3 majority with the Slovaks a little bit more that 35%. This province should as well be split (into 2 or 3 parts) however since you can't do that I say that the province represents the biggest city, Bratislava.

Perhaps there was a plebiscite in Bratislava and Eisenstadt after the A-H CW in '22 or '23 and they both voted for Austria (or Hungary but Austria is more fun ) The 2 provinces should stick together for nicer borders.

[TehBoss]

Hungary is to big...if you want to follow ethnic lines, Transcarpathia should certainly go to ether Slovakia or Russia. Bratislava should stay with Slovakia, since most of the area was mostly inhabited by Slovaks, while the city was majorly Hungarian/German...that was the case in most AH cities. Only region Hungarians had majority was Miercurea Ciuc. Przemysl should go to Poles and Cernauti to Russians (i don't know why...just seems right ).

Transcarpathia I will keep under Hungary, as for Bratislava, for some reason I like it under Austrian control XD

Hungary's territories in the east for the most part will stay for Transylvania and Vojvodina.

I can give Przemysl to Poland, I was actually thinking about that yesterday... and I'm keeping Cernauti under the Russians, I know the map looks a little prettier but I am getting used to it, different can sometimes be good

Pola shoudn't be Croatian national territory since it had Slovenian/Italian majority. Same thing with Petrograd and Hungary. Maybe Dubrovnik to Bosnia or Serbia (due to it's isolation from the rest of Croatia).

I'll give Pola to Slovenia then, I'm going with Italy not intervening in the A-H civil war, so they wouldnt get Istria or Trento back.

Also, Bulgaria shouldn't have cores on Tetovo, and Pirot shouldn't be in Bulgaria (at least not core)...

I'll uncore Tetovo and Pirot, but they're staying under Bulgaria (Originally on my map, Serbia kept Macedonia, but I changed it after I went with the Serbian revolt from A-H in the Civil War.

Where are the alliances ideologically? How is WWII going to break out?

Alliances Ideologically: Central Powers is more traditional Empire/Monarchy, so they are all Paternal Autocrat. Coalition is complicated, France will probably end up Socialist (At the start of the scenario they are democratic, but this is an event I have planned), as well as Russia which I have some ideas for. Allies are the traditional for democracy and freedom, etc.

WW2 breaking out, there is more than one possibility. I have events in the works for flashpoints in the Balkans and Scandinavia (Specifically Finland), and some done events for the Baltics and Belgium that have a possibility to start a World War. Events for Japan can also possibly get the United States involved (They still hold many Pacific islands and Hawaii).

You mentioned that Communists take over India, were there any revolutions anywhere else?

Most definitely.

Also, I agree with CocoBZ that Russia shouldn't gain any territory if it made a seperate peace. Switch around the history so Russia just gets Ruthenia after the war, maybe at the same time as the Russo-Polish war.

Alright.

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On a related note, I changed up the Color of Austria to a Light Grey, same with Japan due to the Tokugawa flag it uses (Tricolor White on top and Bottom with Black stripe in the middle)

[Wolfnacht]

No Fascistic revanchist powers around? Unique. Croatia & Serbia really don't count as 'powers' per se.

Looking forward to it.

[razorbird789]

I don't understand how India separated from Britain so quickly and suddenly. IRL they were the driving force for the war against the Ottomans and to my knowledge they had no major independence movements prior to ww1 and very few immediately afterwards. Plus if India went Independent i reckon Britain would white peace with Germany straight away so that they could regain it. India was the jewel of the Empire and without it there was no empire. (hence IRL the Empire began crumbling after 1947 when India went independent)
Britain only entered the war because Germany invaded Belgium anyway. With the war greatly damaging Germany industries Britain would no longer feel threatened by the German might as much as it used to be and most likely wouldn't care much for the war in comparison to losing India..... just a suggestion to keep it real, redo India a tad
What happened to Italy? Did it join the war? i scanned through but couldn't find mention of it.
I've been waiting for a mod that i could play as Korea! It's never in them an I'd love for a fun game with them.....

[Wolfnacht]

I don't understand how India separated from Britain so quickly and suddenly. IRL they were the driving force for the war against the Ottomans and to my knowledge they had no major independence movements prior to ww1 and very few immediately afterwards. Plus if India went Independent i reckon Britain would white peace with Germany straight away so that they could regain it. India was the jewel of the Empire and without it there was no empire. (hence IRL the Empire began crumbling after 1947 when India went independent)
Britain only entered the war because Germany invaded Belgium anyway. With the war greatly damaging Germany industries Britain would no longer feel threatened by the German might as much as it used to be and most likely wouldn't care much for the war in comparison to losing India..... just a suggestion to keep it real, redo India a tad
What happened to Italy? Did it join the war? i scanned through but couldn't find mention of it.
I've been waiting for a mod that i could play as Korea! It's never in them an I'd love for a fun game with them.....

"1915: Trench warfare rages onward on the Western Front, Germany makes some gains but they are miniscule. Austria-Hungary and Germany make a push on the Eastern Front, taking control of most of Poland. Brusilov offensive is thrown back, and Romania becomes occupied by the Central Powers. Serbia is attacked by a combined German-Austrian-Bulgarian offensive and the Serbian army retreats to Albania. The Lusitania isn't sunk. Italy remains neutral."

[TehBoss]

I don't understand how India separated from Britain so quickly and suddenly. IRL they were the driving force for the war against the Ottomans and to my knowledge they had no major independence movements prior to ww1 and very few immediately afterwards. Plus if India went Independent i reckon Britain would white peace with Germany straight away so that they could regain it. India was the jewel of the Empire and without it there was no empire. (hence IRL the Empire began crumbling after 1947 when India went independent)
Britain only entered the war because Germany invaded Belgium anyway. With the war greatly damaging Germany industries Britain would no longer feel threatened by the German might as much as it used to be and most likely wouldn't care much for the war in comparison to losing India..... just a suggestion to keep it real, redo India a tad
What happened to Italy? Did it join the war? i scanned through but couldn't find mention of it.
I've been waiting for a mod that i could play as Korea! It's never in them an I'd love for a fun game with them.....

Well think of it this way:

It was a lose-lose situation for the British, with India in revolt they could either:

Send all their troops over to India to put down the uprising, but this would mean France was essentially a goner. This would be horrible for the British as Germany would now dominate Europe.

Or:

Try and do both, get overextended and lose both fronts.

Or:

Focus on ending the war in Europe, and then focus on India. The only problem with this is that India would be long-gone by the time the war ends simply due to the static warfare all across the Western Front.

It comes down to Britain deciding between keeping their colony, or keeping a Europe not dominated by Germany. And who knows, maybe we will see something along the lines of an Allied invasion of India?

[Wolfnacht]

So we have the three major alliances being monarchist/PA, Socialist & the regular Western democracies. Are there any smaller alliances around like a Communist bloc being that there is a Communist India? A Communist India sounds like a potentially powerful country, and being that you said there are other revolutions, do they have allies or are they isolated?

Does Croatia have its' own Fascist bloc, or are they the only revanchist/nationalist power around?

Curious to the ideological setting of the time.

[TehBoss]

So we have the three major alliances being monarchist/PA, Socialist & the regular Western democracies. Are there any smaller alliances around like a Communist bloc being that there is a Communist India? A Communist India sounds like a potentially powerful country, and being that you said there are other revolutions, do they have allies or are they isolated?

At the start of the scenario, yes, India is rather isolated. But as the game progresses they should have some buddies in Asia

Does Croatia have its' own Fascist bloc, or are they the only revanchist/nationalist power around?

Curious to the ideological setting of the time.

Croatia has a mini Fascist block with Slovakia and itself, and later in the game they go after Bosnia. Serbia as well is a revanchist nationalist power, looking to regain Vojvodina and Macedonia, and I have some events in store that can either help them in their 'quest' or end it. Serbia will most likely end up allied alongside Romania and Greece as a part of my Balkan League event chains, and I'll be writing some events for Croatia today. Any ideas anyone has in mind for events are not only welcome, but encouraged

[Wolfnacht]

At the start of the scenario, yes, India is rather isolated. But as the game progresses they should have some buddies in Asia



Croatia has a mini Fascist block with Slovakia and itself, and later in the game they go after Bosnia. Serbia as well is a revanchist nationalist power, looking to regain Vojvodina and Macedonia, and I have some events in store that can either help them in their 'quest' or end it. Serbia will most likely end up allied alongside Romania and Greece as a part of my Balkan League event chains, and I'll be writing some events for Croatia today. Any ideas anyone has in mind for events are not only welcome, but encouraged

Well being that you seem to have two opposing revanchist powers in the same region - why not opposing blocs competing for domination of the Balkans? You could eventually have a Balkan war, where Croatia's bloc would go to war with the Balkan League you mentioned. Ofc, it's likely Croatia will need someone else to help them out at least here as well as a decent military force. Maybe you could give them event chains for trying to coup certain Balkan/Slavic nations? Or events for adding to their military. If they could come to control the Balkans, well that can go anywhere as that's obviously a strong base of power.

This comes to mind strongly because I don't see too many mods with good Balkan action.

[TehBoss]

Well being that you seem to have two opposing revanchist powers in the same region - why not opposing blocs competing for domination of the Balkans? You could eventually have a Balkan war, where Croatia's bloc would go to war with the Balkan League you mentioned. Ofc, it's likely Croatia will need someone else to help them out at least here as well as a decent military force. Maybe you could give them event chains for trying to coup certain Balkan/Slavic nations? Or events for adding to their military. If they could come to control the Balkans, well that can go anywhere as that's obviously a strong base of power.

This comes to mind strongly because I don't see too many mods with good Balkan action.

Well since the Balkan league is generally going to be opposed to Bulgaria, with Serbia, Greece, and Romania all wanting land back from them, and possibly Hungary (If some of the events I wrote don't go a certain way), so Croatia will most likely be involved in that bloc, Albania and the Ottoman Empire will get involved as well at some point, but I haven't written those events yet. There will be plenty of action in the Balkans

[TehBoss]

so what does it mean for MDS?
which one is yours?

Sorry I forgot to answer this, but I was making a Modern Day scenario, which I was just finishing up the map for, then the 2012 map borders minimod was released, and then Modern Day Scenario 2 (MDS2DH) was converted over to the Darkest Hour map, which for the most part made my mod sort of useless. So until I see the time is right I won't be working on it really anymore.

[Yoshino]

I'm a bit of nitpicking about Japan's setting.
Your using Japan's flag which showed in the nation select menu in the first page is rather uncommon.
Why just use the family crest of Tokugawa clan(Aoi no gomon)? in real term, the Shogunate used this as a flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:To...mily_crest.svg

Also, I wander if why Japan have Taiwan(or Formosa)? Without Sino-Japanese war or something diplomatic pressure from the major powers, Qing empire wouldn't have to give up this island.

[CocoBZ]

It would be interesting to see Bulgaria intimidating Romania with the help of the CP in order to gain Dobruja (this has to happen after Russia is out of the war, but before civil tensions in A-H). Also, I would suggest an alliance between Slovakia, Romania, Serbia and Greece against Hungary and Bulgaria (something similar to the Little Entente, except more offensive). This might actually be sparking tensions, which could lead to WWII. The Ottomans might stay out of this mess, support their former allies or maybe backstab them in order to gain some lost territories, Russia might support (or not) either of their Slavic brothers (depending on their interest) etc.

Any thoughts on this?

[LouiST]

I'm a bit of nitpicking about Japan's setting.
Your using Japan's flag which showed in the nation select menu in the first page is rather uncommon.
Why just use the family crest of Tokugawa clan(Aoi no gomon)? in real term, the Shogunate used this as a flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:To...mily_crest.svg

Also, I wander if why Japan have Taiwan(or Formosa)? Without Sino-Japanese war or something diplomatic pressure from the major powers, Qing empire wouldn't have to give up this island.

I have the same feeling about Taiwan. Without a Sino-Japanese War Taiwan should belong to China unless France/Germany/Britain took it.

And, depending how alternate history develop here, China as a truly unified country could mean much more time and resources for development in every fields.
If it goes one step further, there would be a chance that China would attempt to gain back lost territories. Or, China might even want to be a world power like Japan in OTL, resulting in wars with nearby countries, as imperialist thoughts might be stronger.

[razorbird789]

Well think of it this way:

It was a lose-lose situation for the British, with India in revolt they could either:

Send all their troops over to India to put down the uprising, but this would mean France was essentially a goner. This would be horrible for the British as Germany would now dominate Europe.

Or:

Try and do both, get overextended and lose both fronts.

Or:

Focus on ending the war in Europe, and then focus on India. The only problem with this is that India would be long-gone by the time the war ends simply due to the static warfare all across the Western Front.

It comes down to Britain deciding between keeping their colony, or keeping a Europe not dominated by Germany. And who knows, maybe we will see something along the lines of an Allied invasion of India?

It's a well known fact that France in fact needed the royal navy more than it needed the British army. at the end of the day it's your mod but i shall be retaking India whether it's event scripted or not!

[TehBoss]

I'm a bit of nitpicking about Japan's setting.
Your using Japan's flag which showed in the nation select menu in the first page is rather uncommon.
Why just use the family crest of Tokugawa clan(Aoi no gomon)? in real term, the Shogunate used this as a flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:To...mily_crest.svg

Also, I wander if why Japan have Taiwan(or Formosa)? Without Sino-Japanese war or something diplomatic pressure from the major powers, Qing empire wouldn't have to give up this island.

I'll change the flag, it's just that I went through about 5 flag changes for Japan and neither of them I thought looked too good. I'll see what I can do with the crest.

I don't know what I'm going to do with Taiwan yet regarding history, to be honest I just forgot to change it over to Chinese control when I was making the map :P

It would be interesting to see Bulgaria intimidating Romania with the help of the CP in order to gain Dobruja (this has to happen after Russia is out of the war, but before civil tensions in A-H). Also, I would suggest an alliance between Slovakia, Romania, Serbia and Greece against Hungary and Bulgaria (something similar to the Little Entente, except more offensive). This might actually be sparking tensions, which could lead to WWII. The Ottomans might stay out of this mess, support their former allies or maybe backstab them in order to gain some lost territories, Russia might support (or not) either of their Slavic brothers (depending on their interest) etc.

Bolded: I will add that to the timeline, seems like a cool addition.

The rest: This is already going to happen in the game, the Balkan League being scripted in, but I just don't have Slovakia included. I have an idea for Slovakia that might spark war against Hungary, but I'm not sure if I'll include Slovakia in it.

I've got some stuff in mind for the Ottomans as well, which might include either expansion into the Middle East, or expansion back into Europe.

[razorbird789]

i have an idea for Taiwan, how about doing a coldwar scenario before ww2. Maybe the Qing or a Chinese rebellion could flee there and fortify it against the mainland China with foreign backing?

[TehBoss]

i have an idea for Taiwan, how about doing a coldwar scenario before ww2. Maybe the Qing or a Chinese rebellion could flee there and fortify it against the mainland China with foreign backing?

Sounds interesting, this would also open the possibility for foreign intervention to restore the old Imperial system and oust the Republic.

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Also:

Japanese Flag?

I kept the tricolor and added the gold crest.

[whatguts]

Japanese Flag?

I kept the tricolor and added the gold crest.

i like it!