+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 53

Thread: What union countries would you like to see in the game?

  1. #21
    Corporal
    Crusader Kings IIVictoria: RevolutionsVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of Darkness
    Mount & Blade: WarbandWar of the Roses500k club

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Colima Mx/California Usa
    Posts
    28
    What about just a south american that will require conquest of the french,anglo, and dutch colonies on the continent or just a latin american union since a full union of the america's seem's to improbable since the culture differences between the latin american countries and the US seem too far apart from each other?

  2. #22
    slavia
    carolingia
    HRE reborn
    east asian co prospherity sphrere
    mongol empire
    spanish empire reborn

  3. #23
    First Lieutenant Victor Cortez's Avatar
    Cities in MotionCities in Motion 2Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided
    500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Comunidad de Madrid, European Union
    Posts
    291
    Latin Europe (Italy, Spain, Portugal, South of France).
    European Union.

  4. #24
    An interesting one would be a Russian decision in which if you manage make the Ottomans a satellite you are given the option of becoming the Slavic Union in which you get all the Ottomans Balkan and straights territory (plus Wallachia, Moldovia & Serbia if they are in your sphere)... Your capital will be moved to Istanbul (re-named Tsarograd) and you get cultural unions against Austria... However, to balance this all Great Powers automatically a caucus belli that would restore the Ottoman's in the Balkans and would reduce you back to Russia minus Poland, Finland, the Caucasus and the Crimea, and the Baltic States becoming a satillite of Germany/Prussia (which was historically British Prime Minister Palmerston's ideal division of Russia after the Crimean War, though of course never implemented)... Not only that but as the Slavic Union you would also have to face greater liberal/reform pressure, as well as the threat of Russian nationalism centred on Moscow)...

    Thus playing Russia, you could fullfill Nicholas I and the Slavophile's dream of for Russia, but at the cost of possibly destroying Russia's power in Europe...

  5. #25
    Captain MrTrt's Avatar
    Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteFor the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHeir to the Throne
    March of the EaglesSemper FiVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of Darkness
    500k club

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Born in Melilla, Spain
    Posts
    368
    This could be a great idea for a mod. A mod with a lot of über-unions, very weirds and unrealistics, of course.

  6. #26
    Iberia would be pretty unnecessary, since Spain already represents it. A decision to annex Portugal and add portuguese as accepted culture when Spain is a GP, Portugal is below rank 16 and is in its sphere would be represent it better. Other than that, a Latin America, Caribbean State and a US-Canada Federation would be nice.

  7. #27
    Captain Robotkiller's Avatar
    Arsenal of DemocracyHearts of Iron 2: ArmageddonCities in MotionDarkest HourEU3 Complete
    Divine WindFor The GloryFor the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest Hour
    Heir to the ThroneVictoria: RevolutionsRome GoldSemper FiSword of the Stars II
    Victoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of DarknessRome: Vae Victis500k club

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    American SSR
    Posts
    456
    Quote Originally Posted by calvinhobbeslik View Post
    No, American Union vs European Union vs African Union vs Arab League vs India vs China
    All that needs is a Soviet Union (already possible) and Indonesia/Southeast Asia.

  8. #28
    Second Lieutenant IGGEL's Avatar
    Crusader Kings IIDarkest HourEuropa Universalis: ChroniclesHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest Hour
    March of the EaglesSemper FiSengokuVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided
    Victoria II: Heart of DarknessEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Count Wanko's Dungeon
    Posts
    176
    A Grand Germany with Germany, Austria proper, the Netherlands, and German Switzerland.

  9. #29
    Captain FMekajiki's Avatar
    Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    369
    Haha these started out being reasonable and then just got more and more ridiculous until we got to European and American Unions.

  10. #30
    Corporal ClassyBoxer's Avatar
    Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    43
    Turkestan, and perhaps a Balkan Federation consisting of Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgaria, and perhaps Greece and Romania.

  11. #31
    An alternative Papal Italy, if formed by the Papal State.

  12. #32
    Actually, the birth of the EU in the 19th century is not so outlandish as one might think, given that the first proposals for the creation of a European political union were made in this period, and there was a strong streak of internationalist feeling for European "brotherhood of peoples" solidarity (and a few proposals for a union) among liberal-democratic and socialist revolutionaries (e.g. Mazzini's 'Young Europe').

    As for a North American Union, the simplest period way to accomplish it would be to allow the USA to unite the continent by annexing, or getting cores on, all of it with appropriate events/decisions. E.g. modified versions of Manifest Destiny and Ostend Manifesto decisions that award the USA cores on Canada, Mexico, the UCA, and the Caribbean, and a modified version of the Texas annexation event that allows the USA to annex North American states when they are in its sphere and relations are good enough. Since there were historical calls to annex those territories in 19th century US mainstream political discourse, I think this would be highly appropriate.
    Last edited by Irioth; 05-08-2012 at 20:56.
    Nationality: Italian
    Religion: Secular Transhumanism
    Ideology: Libertarian Far Right
    Issues: Moralism, Political Correctness

  13. #33
    First Lieutenant Victor Cortez's Avatar
    Cities in MotionCities in Motion 2Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided
    500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Comunidad de Madrid, European Union
    Posts
    291
    True, also, there are people who go as far back as Charlemagne when it comes to find a symbolic date/era as birth of a common European culture/people.

    Now, I'm not sure that's correct, but "Europe" is not something born fifty years ago.
    Latin Europe, yes, that's something totally fictional and stupid (in fact I had that idea)

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Cortez View Post
    True, also, there are people who go as far back as Charlemagne when it comes to find a symbolic date/era as birth of a common European culture/people.
    And the Roman Empire.

    Now, I'm not sure that's correct, but "Europe" is not something born fifty years ago.
    Exactly. So, when it comes to find a political/ideological background for a ahistorical creation of an EU-like European superstate in the 19th century, one may look at a reinvention/rebirth of the Roman/Carolingian/Holy Roman Empire precedents (and a successful Napoleon) if done by right-wingers, or the period proposals for internationalist solidarity of the European peoples and a proto-EU political union, if done by left-wingers. Of course, the August/Charlemagne example would work in both cases.
    Last edited by Irioth; 05-08-2012 at 21:13.
    Nationality: Italian
    Religion: Secular Transhumanism
    Ideology: Libertarian Far Right
    Issues: Moralism, Political Correctness

  15. #35
    Captain FMekajiki's Avatar
    Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    369
    Quote Originally Posted by Irioth View Post
    Actually, the birth of the EU in the 19th century is not so outlandish as one might think, given that the first proposals for the creation of a European political union were made in this period, and there was a strong streak of internationalist feeling for European "brotherhood of peoples" solidarity (and a few proposals for a union) among liberal-democratic and socialist revolutionaries (e.g. Mazzini's 'Young Europe').
    This was the era of nationalism. Sure, internationalist sentiment existed in small circles, but it just wasn't a force that would have been realistically been able to do anything. The World Wars and Cold War really shocked the continent in to working together in a way that couldn't have happened otherwise. At least for a long while.

    As for a North American Union, the simplest period way to accomplish it would be to allow the USA to unite the continent by annexing, or getting cores on, all of it with appropriate events/decisions. E.g. modified versions of Manifest Destiny and Ostend Manifesto decisions that award the USA cores on Canada, Mexico, the UCA, and the Caribbean, and a modified version of the Texas annexation event that allows the USA to annex North American states when they are in its sphere and relations are good enough. Since there were historical calls to annex those territories in 19th century US mainstream political discourse, I think this would be highly appropriate.
    This is more reasonable. Manifest Destiny could have easily spread to encompass all of America. The problems with this come from A) America failed multiple times to successfully conquer Canada and B) The All Mexico movement was pretty weak and unlikely to have been fixed. While it's certainly much more possible for an all North American USA to exist than an EU during this period, I still think they're kinda ridiculous ideas :P

  16. #36
    Lt. General
    Crusader Kings IIDarkest HourEU3 CompleteDivine WindHOI3: Their Finest Hour
    Heir to the ThroneMarch of the EaglesSengokuVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    The worlds biggest town in the middle of nowhere
    Posts
    1,656
    the only unions viable at the time where cultural or evolutions of the old, so I dont really see an EU being possible, as that is political
    The Reich American Cold War, an upcoming alternate history mod for East vs West!

  17. #37
    First Lieutenant Victor Cortez's Avatar
    Cities in MotionCities in Motion 2Crusader Kings IIVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided
    500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Comunidad de Madrid, European Union
    Posts
    291
    Well, it's a matter of points of view I think.
    As it's been said before, considering Europe and the European Union as something merely political, means not paying attention to centuries of common cultural development. Now, I'm not saying that the European Union could have existed during the 19th century in the same way it exists now (and no way it could have been born the way it was), but if the Roman, Carolingian or Napoleonic Empired had lasted longer, the political union could have taken place a long ago. Moreover, albeit not unified, a common culture/heritage has existed in mainland Europe for longer than most people think (at least, that's my point of view).

  18. #38
    Captain andersonm's Avatar
    Arsenal of DemocracyCrusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteDivine WindFor the Motherland
    Hearts of Iron IIIHeir to the ThroneMarch of the EaglesVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided
    Rome: Vae VictisCK2: Holy Knight500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    San Diego, California Republic
    Posts
    434
    Quote Originally Posted by Connor Mulhern View Post
    the only unions viable at the time where cultural or evolutions of the old, so I dont really see an EU being possible, as that is political
    In fact, the EU is not even a "nation-state" today... it's really just a trade federation with a common currency and no travel restrictions or tariffs within its borders than an actual country.
    Kingdom of Jerusalem Mod for EU3 - All new missions, decisions, and events for the Knights, Cyprus, and the Kingdom of Jerusalem... Go Crusading and restore the Holy Land to it's rightful owners!

  19. #39
    Lt. General
    Crusader Kings IIDarkest HourEU3 CompleteDivine WindHOI3: Their Finest Hour
    Heir to the ThroneMarch of the EaglesSengokuVictoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    The worlds biggest town in the middle of nowhere
    Posts
    1,656
    Quote Originally Posted by andersonm View Post
    In fact, the EU is not even a "nation-state" today... it's really just a trade federation with a common currency and no travel restrictions or tariffs within its borders than an actual country.
    The only state that did end up uniting across cultures was switzerland, and they had a little more history than the EU
    The Reich American Cold War, an upcoming alternate history mod for East vs West!

  20. #40
    Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.

    The game might get a little boring though, as Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts