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    Crusades by land or sea?

    When Iīm crusading to the middle east, I always choose the sea route, because itīs fast.
    Is this the ultimate way? Is there any benefit in using the land route?
    From Medieval Total War there was an advantage by doing that, because holy orders and soldiers from other kingdoms joined on the way for the glory of christ.
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    I always go by sea as well, ships can be a little more expensive, and I often have to break the armies up to make sure thousands don't die from attrition on the sea, but I always imagined it'd be worse going by land.

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    I do not believe there is any attrition by sea. There is considerable attrition moving by land that is not yours, even neutral land and even when you are under the county's attrition penalty. Unless the crusade is happening literally next door, always utilize any ships you have.

    If you have enormous amounts of troops and going into a low attrition area. Then drop your troops off, pause, split them into smaller groups, send them back into your ships all at once, and then send them one at a time into many coastal provinces at once. The short time they are bunched together on that one coastal province (for the split) will not be long enough to suffer attrition as long as you send them right back.

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    There is no sea attrition (it was removed in a patch).

    I go by sea if I have enough boats on my vassal side to carry my troops. It is always best to have boats near your armies as it's the fatest retreat location...

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    I dont think I've ever seen sea Attrition. I always use sea.

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    Sad to hear the land crusades doesnīt have any benefits
    Why not add that you gain more troops by land travel in the cost of time.
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    I once was playing Hungary and had to walk to a crusade in Iberia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beric Dondarion View Post
    I once was playing Hungary and had to walk to a crusade in Iberia
    Thats because you donīt have access to water as Hungary i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menagin View Post
    Sad to hear the land crusades doesnīt have any benefits
    Why not add that you gain more troops by land travel in the cost of time.
    Ships don't have attrition per say, but there is an event that can happen to boarded soldiers where a storm hits and 33% of the soldiers in a sea zone die. This can be pretty devastating if all of your soldiers are in one fleet.

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    The only reason to walk is that you don't have any ports and you can't/don't want to pay for merc navies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menagin View Post
    Sad to hear the land crusades doesnīt have any benefits
    Why not add that you gain more troops by land travel in the cost of time.
    This is a brilliant idea! Happened in real life many times... although they also happened to siege the odd castle along the way too...

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    I only ever go by sea and I keep my boats there, I also only siege coastal provences so I can get back to my boats easily. You never know when a bigger enemy stack will come and it's quicker to get on boats than move to a new provence, you also might have to get your army back home quickly if there is trouble.

    If my army wont fit on my boats, as often happens as Leon, I drop my troops in cypress or some place like that and go back for the rest.

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    I would love the MTW feature of randoms joining your crusade army.

    Would there be any way to mod this in? Those mostly joining would be light troops though, but perhaps the presence of your army in neutral christian lands would have a chance to fire an event for the nobles land who you in to make them spontaneously join the crusade themselves? Something like they are inspired by your troops and their resolve lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyDylan View Post
    I dont think I've ever seen sea Attrition. I always use sea.
    It was a prior version, but it depended on how filled your boats were. Not sure on percentages, but I remember hiring all the Merc navies in one early game and suffering zero attrition by sea. Which tbh makes a lot of sense. Boats are prime real-estate for disease if they're packed to the rafters.

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