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    Help with Judea.

    For some time now I've been wanting to play a game successfully as Judea, possibly as an AAR game. However, every time I try to play as it, I get annexed by Egypt within a couple of months.

    Does anybody have any tips on playing as Judea? When is the optimum time to begin the game? What are possible ways to stop Egyptian/Seleucid annexation?

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    Judea in Rome is a bit like Ryuku in EU3, you're pinned down between two maniacs who want to take your (useless) piece of land.

    The only way I can think of surviving would be what they do with Ryuku, attack and try to annex another OPM as soon as you can (DoW Rhodes or other greek minors), then build more troops and attack the next one and so on until you have enough land to give away to the blobs when they inevitably attack you and most likely win.
    The trouble here is that all Greeks have everything except the religious bonus going better than you do so annexing one might be a real trouble.
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    Judea is pretty much doomed

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    Ah, well. I think playing as them might be a little beyond my playing ability. Thanks anyway.
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    Well the best start I have seen would be the first Emperor bookmark. The northern neighbour is an ally and involved in a civil war and Egypt is also busy with that very war so only Nabatea will cause trouble. Unfortunately that start always crashes with the latest beta, and if you don't have the beta so actually can start it is still extremely late in the game so there is not really any time to actually accomplish anything before the game ends. You could use a mod, don't know (since I have not tried playing Judea in them) wether or not it is any easier in most other mods, but they are certainly easier in my mod as long as you start just after they get Samaria and have two provinces (Nabatea can actually be somewhat friendly, Seleucids busy with a civil war and while Egypt may attack they can be held off with some effort), but not everyone likes mods (let alone any specific mod).
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    While I consider myself relatively skilled player, my own attempts as Judea have ended to quick annexation. Unfortunately none of the AI empires want to accept my tribute, with other small states you can usually find someone who wants to protect you if they get your gold, but everyone seems to hate the Judeans.

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    Judea in Rome is a bit like Ryuku in EU3, you're pinned down between two maniacs who want to take your (useless) piece of land.

    The only way I can think of surviving would be what they do with Ryuku, attack and try to annex another OPM as soon as you can (DoW Rhodes or other greek minors), then build more troops and attack the next one and so on until you have enough land to give away to the blobs when they inevitably attack you and most likely win.
    The trouble here is that all Greeks have everything except the religious bonus going better than you do so annexing one might be a real trouble.
    You have to find someone first who is willing to trade you wood, otherwise you can't build ships. Good luck building ships and soldiers before Egypt decides to destroy you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olaus Petrus View Post
    While I consider myself relatively skilled player, my own attempts as Judea have ended to quick annexation. Unfortunately none of the AI empires want to accept my tribute, with other small states you can usually find someone who wants to protect you if they get your gold, but everyone seems to hate the Judeans.



    You have to find someone first who is willing to trade you wood, otherwise you can't build ships. Good luck building ships and soldiers before Egypt decides to destroy you.
    Oww, that I didn't think of, wood may be a little hard to come by.. And it's true that in Rome being from unpopular religion or culture makes whole diplomacy screen useless as nobody accepts anything else but declarations of war and possibly peace proposals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
    Oww, that I didn't think of, wood may be a little hard to come by.. And it's true that in Rome being from unpopular religion or culture makes whole diplomacy screen useless as nobody accepts anything else but declarations of war and possibly peace proposals...
    My personal view is that in Rome culture and religion penalties for relations are too severe and practically make diplomacy useless. Greeks and Gauls are only culture groups which have enough nations for meaningful diplomacy with other nations, which aren't your tributaries, unless you spend huge amount of money to make them even somewhat friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olaus Petrus View Post
    My personal view is that in Rome culture and religion penalties for relations are too severe and practically make diplomacy useless. Greeks and Gauls are only culture groups which have enough nations for meaningful diplomacy with other nations, which aren't your tributaries, unless you spend huge amount of money to make them even somewhat friendly.
    I couldn't agree more. Assigning relations based purely off culture and religion is a lazy solution, IMHO; it works if you want to set that as the "default" relationship level, but I think there needs to be code in the history files that allows you to pre-set relationships between specific countries.
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