Cannot grant King-level title to a vassal as an Emperor?

kbernges · Jul 7, 2012

Situation is me, Emperor of Hispania. Vassals are religious vassals: Prince-Bishops ruling each county outside my demesne, and a Prince-Archbishop above each. Wanting to make the Prince-Archbishop of Castille King-Bishop of Castille, Prince-Archbishop of Leon King-Bishop of Leon, Prince-Archbishop of Galicia King-Bishop of Galicia, Prince-Archbishop of Beja King-Bishop of Portugal, and Prince-Archbishop of Barcelona King-Bishop of Aragon. I hold the Kingdom titles for Castille, Leon, Galicia, Portugal, Aragon, and Andalucia (Crusade for Andalucia gave me that one). None of the Kingdom level titles appear attempting to grant the title to a vassal. Does this have to do with the fact that kingdoms these days require holding two duchies to create? Seems odd to apply that to handing out titles.

Edit: In a test where I revoked one Prince-Archbishopric and handed it to another Prince-Archbishop, the title still cannot be given to them

Shuriken · Jul 7, 2012

I don't think so. Playing as the Empire of Britannia, I was able to dole out king titles to my sons who had only count titles.

semaphore · Jul 7, 2012

You can, just not to religious vassals.

justin6477 · Jul 7, 2012

rmdsc said:
You can, just not to religious vassals.

We can't make theocratic kings? Lame

Although, I suppose that's because those theocracies would be on-par with the Papacy since it is a King title....

unmerged(223666) · Jul 7, 2012

Well its very gamey way you play anyway so might as well just mod it in, wouldn't take much.

liamgamer55 · Jul 7, 2012

If there isn't specifically something in the defines to enable this (which there probably isn't) it's probably not moddable.

unmerged(502634) · Jul 7, 2012

You can't grant kingdoms to clergy.

Also, you can't grant Andalusia at all because it's not a Catholic title. I found that out the hard way after a Crusade.

Federalist girl · Jul 14, 2012

You used to be able to do this, though. I don't know about temple-kings, but you certainly used to be able to create city-kings. What happened to that? I'm trying to look through the files to see if there's anything that can change it back, but I bet it's something hardcoded.

edit: evidence that it used to be possible, from defines:

KING_GRANT_TO_CHURCH_PIETY = 250,
EMPEROR_GRANT_TO_CHURCH_PIETY = 500,

EmperorOfIberia · Jul 14, 2012

Federalist girl said:
You used to be able to do this, though. I don't know about temple-kings, but you certainly used to be able to create city-kings. What happened to that? I'm trying to look through the files to see if there's anything that can change it back, but I bet it's something hardcoded.

edit: evidence that it used to be possible, from defines:

KING_GRANT_TO_CHURCH_PIETY = 250,
EMPEROR_GRANT_TO_CHURCH_PIETY = 500,

I don't know about City-Kings, but as for King Bishops, the reason why it's not allowed, is because the Pope is the only King Bishop allowed within the Catholic Faith. Kings don't bow down to other Kings according to King mechanics. Therefore, King Bishops aren't allowed (anymore).

grisamentum · Jul 14, 2012

RooseBolton said:
You can't grant kingdoms to clergy.

Also, you can't grant Andalusia at all because it's not a Catholic title. I found that out the hard way after a Crusade.

Yes you can. You just have to give to an Andalusian Catholic.

Very few titles are actually "catholic" (except Jerusalem and Italy) or "non-catholic" (except Pomerania).

Wezqu · Jul 14, 2012

RooseBolton said:
You can't grant kingdoms to clergy.

Also, you can't grant Andalusia at all because it's not a Catholic title. I found that out the hard way after a Crusade.

It can be created by catholics your ruler just needs to be in the arabic culture group. Same goes for the person you would want to give that tittle. Still in my opinion that limitation should be taken out as its stupid when you yourself aren't from that culture why should it prevent you from giving out the tittle.

Federalist girl · Jul 15, 2012

EmperorOfIberia said:
I don't know about City-Kings, but as for King Bishops, the reason why it's not allowed, is because the Pope is the only King Bishop allowed within the Catholic Faith. Kings don't bow down to other Kings according to King mechanics. Therefore, King Bishops aren't allowed (anymore).

Ohhh. Well, that makes sense. I have very few temple cities anyway: my rule is that the capital of a holding should match the name of the county, and the duchy holder should match the name of the duchy. So since Napoli is a city, it gets to have a mayor--and since the titular kingdom of Napoli goes with it, I want to make him a city king. But unfortunately, I seem to be unable to do that as well.

leksu · Jul 15, 2012

You can create King-Bishoprics and Serene Republics (the King-tier equivalent of republics) by giving someone with a claim on a kingdom a bishopric/city and then pressing his claim on the kingdom.

EmperorOfIberia · Jul 15, 2012

leksu said:
You can create King-Bishoprics and Serene Republics (the King-tier equivalent of republics) by giving someone with a claim on a kingdom a bishopric/city and then pressing his claim on the kingdom.

Yeah, but you can't directly give a King title to them. That's the real issue.

leksu · Jul 15, 2012

EmperorOfIberia said:
Yeah, but you can't directly give a King title to them. That's the real issue.

I know, I just thought this has already been discussed (you just can't give them a King title, nothing more to say) and I wanted to answer to someone who was saying that King-Bishoprics weren't allowed (not sure if he only referred to giving them out as titles though).

Afinati · Jul 15, 2012

I own won the Kingdom of Andalucia during a crusade, and I can't give it to my vassals. I'm the HRE and king of England, and I have given away over a dozen kingdoms. Why not this one? Because it was won in a crusade?

EmperorOfIberia · Jul 15, 2012

Afinati said:
I own won the Kingdom of Andalucia during a crusade, and I can't give it to my vassals. I'm the HRE and king of England, and I have given away over a dozen kingdoms. Why not this one? Because it was won in a crusade?

*sigh* I hate this too. the Kingdom of Andalusia can only be formed by an Arabic Culture Group. Technically speaking, only the someone with is of Arabic culture should be able to hold it. Therefore, you can't pass it on to non-Arabs.

It's like why the Kingdom of Portugal can only be formed by Christians.

Afinati · Jul 15, 2012

So, will my son get it? At least there's no penalty for multiple kingdoms. Perhaps I'll just let somebody plot to take it from me. <shrug>

EmperorOfIberia · Jul 15, 2012

Afinati said:
So, will my son get it? At least there's no penalty for multiple kingdoms. Perhaps I'll just let somebody plot to take it from me. <shrug>

I believe so. Or you could destroy it eventually.

riknap · Jul 15, 2012

isn't the pope an Emperor tier-title?

or is that a mod's fault?

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