England vs France

[Clonefusion]

Hi,

i just played a game as Aragon and i joined a war England vs France on England´s side, the war is quite hard as France has Military Drill and I do not, but my problem is, England has like 40 k Troops on its island and does not send them through ships to France, this war would be so easy if he would and now i understand why every AI England loses vs France, so is it possible to teach England how to fight a war in France, because it is rly hard to win as Aragon with England vs France, though in real history France would have lost such a war, i already destroyed 45 k troops and only lost 15 k, but this not only annoys me, it destroys AI like Savoy, who join England vs France or also Aragon if it is played by an AI, i would have nothing against 2-Front-War vs France and Castille (England-Aragon-Portugal-Savoy vs France-Castille), but pls teach the AI to land Troops.

[DDRJake]

I think it's a little outside the scope of this mod to code the AI.

Have you tried saving and reloading your game? Sometimes, especially when forming a new nation, the AI just derps out completely when it comes to organising their troops. This is why a newly formed HRE often just collapses to rebels.

[SirkTheMonkey]

How many transports does England have left? When I played a quick HYW game as France back in 5.3.1, England somehow ended up in another war against Aragon and between the French and Aragonese navies their entire fleet got destroyed. They were stuck with this large army in London with no way to get it to the actual fighting.

[Clonefusion]

How many transports does England have left? When I played a quick HYW game as France back in 5.3.1, England somehow ended up in another war against Aragon and between the French and Aragonese navies their entire fleet got destroyed. They were stuck with this large army in London with no way to get it to the actual fighting.

I am playing Aragon and he has Portugal as ally, he has his navy over naval FL, so that is it not !

[gigau]

Odd, when i play France, as i often fail to be active enough in building ships, i get waves of 5k to 10k armies landing in Normandie and in Guyenne...

[Clonefusion]

Odd, when i play France, as i often fail to be active enough in building ships, i get waves of 5k to 10k armies landing in Normandie and in Guyenne...

I would love to see that, would be enough to make the war much easier.

[videonfan]

Gigau secretly buffed French AI and nerfed English AI so France would always win and those englishmen would stay in their island
Im kidding,ive never seen this happen,most time for me england captures normandy atleast

[gigau]

Gigau secretly buffed French AI and nerfed English AI so France would always win and those englishmen would stay in their island

Hehehe

If anything, i've rather worked on nerfing France

[Clonefusion]

Hi,
why do both modifier appear even if i stated one is for owning and one for not owning Paris :
english_traits = {

potential = {

OR = {

primary_culture = anglois #FB-a


NOT = { owns = 183 }
}
}

trigger = {

OR = {

primary_culture = anglois #FB-a

}
}

army_tradition = 0.015
navy_tradition = 0.01
land_morale = +0.25

naval_morale = +0.15
discipline = 0.5
global_manpower_modifier = -0.2
global_colonial_growth = 0.05
icon = 26

}


english_traits = {

potential = {

OR = {

primary_culture = anglois #FB-a

owns = 183

}
}

trigger = {

OR = {

primary_culture = anglois #FB-a

}
}

army_tradition = 0.01
navy_tradition = 0.01
land_morale = +0.15
naval_morale = +0.15
discipline = 0.3
global_manpower_modifier = -0.2
global_colonial_growth = 0.05
icon = 26

}

???

[SirkTheMonkey]

What file is that from? I can't find that code in any of the usual MEIOU files. (Of course it is past 3AM local time and my mind isn't working at full power.)

[Clonefusion]

What file is that from? I can't find that code in any of the usual MEIOU files. (Of course it is past 3AM local time and my mind isn't working at full power.)

triggered_modifiers.txt in Paradox Interactive\Europa Universalis III\mod\meiou\common
does that help u ?

[SirkTheMonkey]

Ah right, you're trying to make your own English traits. Sorry I didn't pick up on that earlier. What you should do is not use ORs. The way your code was set up was to give the traits if you had Anglois as your culture OR if you didn't own Paris, which is pretty much everyone except France.

english_traits = {
    potential = {
        primary_culture = anglois    #FB-a
        NOT = { owns = 183 }    
    }
    trigger = {
        primary_culture = anglois    #FB-a
        NOT = { owns = 183 }
    }
    army_tradition = 0.015    
    navy_tradition = 0.01
    land_morale = +0.25
    naval_morale = +0.15    
    discipline = 0.5
    global_manpower_modifier = -0.2
    global_colonial_growth = 0.05    
    icon = 26
}


english_traits = {
    potential = {
        primary_culture = anglois    #FB-a
        owns = 183    
    }
    trigger = {
        primary_culture = anglois    #FB-a
        owns = 183
    }
    army_tradition = 0.01    
    navy_tradition = 0.01
    land_morale = +0.15
    naval_morale = +0.15    
    discipline = 0.3
    global_manpower_modifier = -0.2
    global_colonial_growth = 0.05    
    icon = 26
}

[gigau]

Those traits seem quite overpowered, increasing both land and naval strength. English strength was mostly its fleet.

[NorwayBernd]

Those traits seem quite overpowered, increasing both land and naval strength. English strength was mostly its fleet.

...and yet AI England still loses against AI (and definitely player) France.

[Clonefusion]

Those traits seem quite overpowered, increasing both land and naval strength. English strength was mostly its fleet.

They are not so overpowered as u think, the one without owning Paris is overpowered, but the other one is just the English trait split in naval and land, England has either English or Anglois trait and if it goes Land it will pick the Anglois Trait, which buffs Land and Naval a bit.

[SirkTheMonkey]

...and yet AI England still loses against AI (and definitely player) France.

I am (sadly) of the belief that that's how it would have panned out historically were it not for RL England getting some brilliant combat rolls and RL France getting some horrible rolls and painful random events.

[Caewil]

Not quite as sure. The disloyal nature of the french nobility certainly didn't help. It wasn't just down to luck. The English were more disciplined and organised.

[Clonefusion]

Not quite as sure. The disloyal nature of the french nobility certainly didn't help. It wasn't just down to luck. The English were more disciplined and organised.

I have an idea how u show that:
-Give France less manpower
-longer Regiment Recruitment Cost
-higher Revolt Risk
Dont know how hard that would hit France.

[gigau]

...and yet AI England still loses against AI (and definitely player) France.

And yet, in my games, it conquers Scotland and Ireland easily enough, plus often gets land in Sicily, Anatolia and or Egypt.


But basically, you say that France still is too powerful at start of game ? Then let me check that during the week-end.

[Clonefusion]

And yet, in my games, it conquers Scotland and Ireland easily enough, plus often gets land in Sicily, Anatolia and or Egypt.


But basically, you say that France still is too powerful at start of game ? Then let me check that during the week-end.

England beats Aragon, Mamluks or Anatolian nations or takes over Balkan, but they lose vs France while they easily conquer those areas, so if we would buff England too hard, they would be even bigger in the meditterranean, maybe give England a modifier if they are at war with France or give France that modifier. It could happen that if France gets a too big nerf, Bohemia+Burgundy steamrolls them again, so maybe give them a modifier for the war or an event which spawns them units at start of war, because that is why AI England loses, they start with 10 k, France 30 k, france beats the 10 k and they won the war, maybe give them an event which spawns 15 k in Guiana, then England could have a chance as they got the better troops and France also as they can still build more troops.