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    Starting dates?

    Will there be more starting dates/scenario to start a game, as it usually is in Paradox games?

    Or, like in Victoria 2, the complexity of the economic system is such that it is not feasible/useful to spend time on more than one/few scenarios?

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    While I would love a starting date at maybe 1945, or 49 (Depending if you where you want to start the cold war) I'd also love an option to start in 1985 and actually carry the SU through Glasnost and Perestroika.

    Still wondering how long the game will be, ending in 1991, or proceeding beyond the end of the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marat271 View Post
    While I would love a starting date at maybe 1945, or 49 (Depending if you where you want to start the cold war) I'd also love an option to start in 1985 and actually carry the SU through Glasnost and Perestroika.

    Still wondering how long the game will be, ending in 1991, or proceeding beyond the end of the cold war.
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    The game will be a Grand Strategy/Wargame set during the Cold War era - 1946-1991.
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    Since i.e. Israel was created in 1948, one can assume that the game will include several starting dates. Perhaps you might start whenever you wish, like in CKII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronq View Post
    Since i.e. Israel was created in 1948, one can assume that the game will include several starting dates. Perhaps you might start whenever you wish, like in CKII.
    I don't really see the link between Israel and multiple starting dates.

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    I guess that dependes on how you view Israel. I view Israel as a major and significant power throughout the entire Cold War. Thus only having the option to start in 1946 would exclude the Israel as a playable nation. But perhaps this is premature speculation, since we have no clue about the nature of this game altogether.

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    If the UN is properly modeled it could be a UN decision to create a Jewish state and give the countries surrounding it a CB on Israel. That is if some conditions are meet or after a certain date. Or simply make it an event. It could make up for a fun game trying to play as Israel or one of her enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronq View Post
    I guess that dependes on how you view Israel. I view Israel as a major and significant power throughout the entire Cold War. Thus only having the option to start in 1946 would exclude the Israel as a playable nation. But perhaps this is premature speculation, since we have no clue about the nature of this game altogether.
    With 46 start date all the soon to be independent former colonial states would be unplaybale on start. Besides Israel this would also include India and Pakistan, pretty much whole Africa, Vietnam etc.

    It would be pity if you couldn't start on later dates when these countries would be already existing. I would hope that there were start dates at least on Korean and Vietnam wars.
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    I would love to have a chance to kick Israel bully butt!

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    I guess it could be handled like in HoI where there are pretty deterministic events that push the world towards a relatively plausible war; in EvW there could be, for instance, an event/decision for the UN to create Israel, for decolonization etc. A '46 start would indeed make a lot of nations unplayable but that could be solved by playing up to that date and then loading as one of those nations, or having something similar to the mechanic in V2:AHD where you can choose to switch sides to the CSA if you play the USA when teh ACW breaks out: when a new nation gains independence, the player gains an event where it's possible to switch to play that nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthJF View Post
    With 46 start date all the soon to be independent former colonial states would be unplaybale on start. Besides Israel this would also include India and Pakistan, pretty much whole Africa, Vietnam etc.

    It would be pity if you couldn't start on later dates when these countries would be already existing. I would hope that there were start dates at least on Korean and Vietnam wars.
    Just to be picky, Vietnam was actualy independant between September 1945 and November 1946 and was actualy invaded by France in 1946. So depending on the starting month you should have an independant Vietnam on the map.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronq View Post
    I guess that dependes on how you view Israel. I view Israel as a major and significant power throughout the entire Cold War. Thus only having the option to start in 1946 would exclude the Israel as a playable nation. But perhaps this is premature speculation, since we have no clue about the nature of this game altogether.
    It doesn't depend of my view of Israel. Germany is undeniably a major and significant power and yet Vicky 2 doesn't start in 1871, it only had one starting date which was 1836 and when it got a second one it was still not 1871. That an important country "would not be on the map with X date" just doesn't mean PI will make multiple dates, wether it is Israel or anything else.
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    But there's a important difference here. In Victoria II you can play as Germany through creating it by starting out as Prussia, thus at least making it latently playable. The same pattern obviously can't be applied here because of these novel game mechanics rooting in the new historical system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronq View Post
    But there's a important difference here. In Victoria II you can play as Germany through creating it by starting out as Prussia, thus at least making it latently playable. The same pattern obviously can't be applied here because of these novel game mechanics rooting in the new historical system.
    I see your point. I still think multiple starting dates are unlikely considering the amount of work collecting the data might represent. It would be nice though of course.

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    I don't really see a problem why Israel would have problems with emerging in 1946 scenario. You simply need series of events based on the game mechanics related to the POPs migration (significant surge in migration of jewish POPs in the post war period), high level of unrest in the province and global politics.

    It's not like Germany formation in Vicky 2 whatsoever, since it's only 2 years to the country formation from the scenario start. Conditions are set and it's very possible to have historical outcome with a little push.

    It might be harder to see other historical stuff though. It's not that obvious that Mao will win for example or that decolonizing countries choose their historical ideological supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alojzy View Post
    It's not that obvious that Mao will win for example or that decolonizing countries choose their historical ideological supporters.
    That's actually one of the most interesting things with this start date. Wheter China goes communist or stays under nationalist rule should have a huge effect on how the cold war plays out in the game.
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    Initially after the end of WWII the UK was also a superpower I hope there is a potential for it to maintain, or at least attempt to maintain, this position at the early start dates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthJF View Post
    That's actually one of the most interesting things with this start date. Wheter China goes communist or stays under nationalist rule should have a huge effect on how the cold war plays out in the game.
    Well realistically Operation Ichi-go followed by the surrender of Japan meant that the writing was pretty much on the wall as far as Nationalist China was concerned, though it still took some years of fighting until the KMT had to revert to Taiwan...
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    Forget Israel, how will Paradox portray the occupied nations like Germany, Japan, Austria and especially Korea?
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    Hey devs, could we have some information on whether you've planned more than one starting date?
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    They propably can't tell it yet since they seem to be limited on what they can tell

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