Just Curious, is there precedent for a newb being a wolf?
yes happens now and than. I was a wolf in my 4th game. and IIRC rysz was a wolf in his first 3 games in a row
Just Curious, is there precedent for a newb being a wolf?
Just Curious, is there precedent for a newb being a wolf?
yes happens now and than. I was a wolf in my 4th game. and IIRC rysz was a wolf in his first 3 games in a row
Kingepyon is hunted by the wolves
Now no one will be able to protect me from the ULTIMATE EVIL. Hey Randy, can I see those slave shield specs again? Just curious. :huh:
Clearly this was Najs handiwork.
Vote Najs.
Vote Najs.
Vote randakar I think I saw some pink flesh under that skin of his.
Unvote Najs. Vote Boris.
I don't follow the crowd.
Must!
Smash!
Random!
VOTE Gradient
NO!
Master Not!
Unvote Gradient
A Lot!
With!
Votes!
Close!
And Smash!!!
VOTE Najs
It's a count of votes! 7 hours 30 minutes to deadline:
EUROO7 - 3 - Najs(69), SPLIT(82), Falc(88)
Boris - 3 - gigau(80), snoop(87), Kingepyon(89)
Najs - 3 - Nautilu(70), Comm. Cody(78), Rendap(90)
snoopdogg - 1 - randakar(74)
Comm. Cody - 1 - Boris(79)
Nautilu - 1 - Gradiant(84)
randakar - 1 - Eternaly_Lost(86)
Not-voted: tamius, the_hdk, EUROO7
Vote THE_SPLIT
for committing a heinous grammar crime.
Unvote Nautilu, Vote EUROO7
Unvote Snoopdogg
Vote EUROO7
No, I don't know why.
Unvote Euro, Vote Nautilu
Boris - 4 - gigau(80), snoop(87), Kingepyon(89), EUROO7,
EUROO7 - 3 - SPLIT(82), Falc(88), Gradiant, Randy,
Najs - 3 - Nautilu(70), Comm. Cody(78), Rendap(90)
Nautilu -1- Gradiant,
Comm. Cody - 1 - Boris(79)
randakar - 1 - Eternaly_Lost(86)
Split -1- Tamius,
tamius -1- Najs,
Not-voted: the_hdk,
Are you a wolf?
I'm as much a wolf as you are.
Both wolves, eh? Easy game
Do you really think we'd be that blatant about it Randy?
...
That was a rhetorical question. Don't answer it. Please.
Absolutely
Not if you keep sacrificing your packmates, Randy. You truly lack all sorts of ruth.
To be entirely blunt: Sometimes, they just deserve it.
Boris - 5 - gigau(80), snoop(87), Kingepyon(89), EUROO7, hdk,
Najs - 4 - Nautilu(70), Comm. Cody(78), Rendap(90), Gradiant,
EUROO7 - 3 - SPLIT(82), Falc(88), Randy,
Comm. Cody - 1 - Boris(79)
randakar - 1 - Eternaly_Lost(86)
Split -1- Tamius,
tamius -1- Najs,
No vote:
If anyone is wondering *why* I'm voting Euro: Reis died tonight. That in itself is a reason to suspect him.
Would EUROO7 hunt reis on night 0 twice in a row? Yes. Yes he would.
I make it a rule to always kill reis as quickly as possible, no matter my role.
However, everyone knows that. And everyone will take advantage of it. If I'm playing, reis will always die quickly, be it by my own hand or a hand that wishes to frame me.
That means there's only one possible course of action for the village to take if reis dies to a hunt on night 0.
Especially if the seer dies simultaneously.
While we still have time for some discussion, I would like to continue Najs train of thoughts!
At a 3-way tie, Tamius comes and decides to make a throwaway.
Thoughts?
You mean "Lynch tamius"?
Not nessecarily. I'm just looking to see if we can get more information out of day 1 than normal.
Great! We got one.
And I got myself up on the target list with my question regarding Tamius.
Still something that I want to look more into. You just have to figure out if I would make such a blatant attempt at saving a packmate. If you believe I would, I suggest you lynch me. Your choice...
VOTE Tamius
Vote Najs
Unvote Najs, Vote Tamuis
Vote Tamuis
What did I do to deserve two misspelt votes?
Rendap, I'm not exactly going to break a tie if I don't have to. You know me.
And this is why you fail.
Vote Teemocil
Unvote Tamius
Vote Gradiant
Talk, will you! Talk!
Vote Nautilu.
He's naughty.
I'm undecided. The way he did it .. he might have thought himself smart.
That comment of his sure puzzled me. The only thing we can say for sure from it is that rendap and tamius probably aren't both wolves.
Because let's face it - tamius's vote *was* suspicious.
Vote tamius23
As a nice counterweight to rendap.
Tamius -5- Rendap, Gradiant, Cody, gigau, Randy,
Rendap -3- Najs, Split, Kinge,
Gradie -1- EUROO7,
Naughty Nautilu -1- Spoopdogg,
No Vote: Nautilu, hdk, tamius, Losty
Too many on tamius here.
Unvote tamius23
Not sure I like rendap as an alternative.
The list of najs voters is thus: Nautilu(70), Comm. Cody(78), Rendap(90), Gradiant
Gradiant and Comm. Cody I will give the newbie free pass for today. That leaves nautilu and rendap.
Vote nautilu
But I retract my statement about not liking Rendap. There may very well be a there there.
edit: never mind. I fail at reading the votecounts for some reason.
Sorry folks, got a bit carried away
Final Votecount, Day 2:
tamius - 5 - Rendap, Gradiant, Comm. Cody, gigau, the_hdk
Rendap - 4 - Najs, SPLIT, Kingepyon, Nautilu
Nautilu - 2 - snoopdogg, randakar
Gradiant - 1 - EUROO7
No-vote - Eternaly_Lost, tamius
Update will soon follow
From this, I'd clear Gigau. Major league blood feud by throwing 2 packmates under the bus!
He could have gone for me instead day 2.
Gigau could have made an alibi gone wrong day 1, but that does not make sense day 2.
I would also place Cody as a unlikely wolf. Voted by Boris and voting Tam.
If we say points:
2 points for Gigau
1½ point for Cody
1 point for Snoop, Kinge, Euro, Me and Gradiant.
½ point for Split
0 for falc2, randy, najs and Nautilu
Anyway, for now I'm going to go with Randy. At least until I have time to think things over a bit more.
Vote Randakar
All in all, my favorite suspects currently are Najs, Randakar and Nautilu. Not sure yet who to pick though.
Having just read my subbing-back-in PM, I can confirm that I am NOT a wolf.
I must say, you've been doing well.
(PS: I'm now a zombie tarrasque, no?)
Either way, let's look at THE_SPLIT. Why? The way he and I've been interacting lately, it might be the reason for my early hunt.
DAY 1
Put a second vote on Euro when Najs had 3 and everyone else had 1. Rather unusual explanation too:
Also, SPLIT gets one single vote from Tamius. Alibi?
DAY 2
Second vote on Rendap when Tamius already had 3
VOTE SPLIT
If Najs is also a wolf, to break the tie, he can only vote for Euro (i still assume to be a villager in my theory)... thus eliminates a villager, branding him as a potential wolf.
Of course, his strategy backfired, but here's the explanation i can find to this throwaway vote.
So for now :
Vote Najs
Vote Najs
Nice defence Randy. BUT, you might want to check the timestamps on your voting once again. I can't see that you have voted closer than 4½ hours to deadline.......
Like I said yesterday I need to think more about this....
Why would you unvote someone you're tied with in order to vote for someone who is not in the running for being silly?
Yes, but that makes sense only if Euro is a wolf... what are the chances we tied three wolves on the first day ? or am i missing something ?
You know, you guys are right. EURO still is a pretty good suspect here.
Vote EUROO7
You know, you guys are right. Strawman still is a pretty good suspect here.
Vote Strawman
Randy, shut your mouth if you've nothing intelligent to say, would you? You're embarrasing yourself, Jesus Christ.
Columbia Law School professor Jerome Michael said:If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.
Insults aren't going to work with me, my dear friend.
Thing is, if anyone hunted reis, it was you. Same goes for piling votes on Boris. I've seen you do it before, I'm sure you'll do it again, and therefore, you remain a suspect.
A tad strong. I've seen Reis hunted first or second thing several times now. It seems an every other game occurrence or so.
Everyone remains a suspect until the game is over. Without the seer, ridiculous luck or incompetent wolves that's the only way the village can possibly win. Fixating on the same person/ handful of people repeatedly just plays into the wolfs hands.
I find this response very strange, you know. I point out SPLIT's voting and the not-so-villagery sides to them, and you jump on my afterthought where Tamius gave him a possible alibi vote? And the best case against him, day 2, you dismiss with a curt "I'm not buying this"?
Allow me to point out that I wasn't the first to notice Tamius vote on SPLIT:
Rendap even followed that up the next day and got Tamius lynched mainly for that vote.
And, lo and behold, you seemed to respond just as dismissively then...
My top list of suspects: Euro, Randakar, Split, Najs
A tad strong. I've seen Reis hunted first or second thing several times now. It seems an every other game occurrence or so.
Let me point back a few pages where EUROO7 himself states he will kill reis at the first opportunity every single game he plays in.
Euro says he can't be held accountable because people may use it to incriminate him. But I find that unlikely. Most wolves don't play that deliberately into a single person's known behavioural pattern.
The only real possibility is a random hunt targeting reis. And I cannot really discern the difference.
Everyone remains a suspect until the game is over. Without the seer, ridiculous luck or incompetent wolves that's the only way the village can possibly win. Fixating on the same person/ handful of people repeatedly just plays into the wolfs hands.
What I meant by that is that Euro's standard spiel appears to be: Hunt reis, vote a packmate on day 1. His behaviour is exactly what I expect from an EURO wolf. And I don't know how to get rid of that suspicion other than by having him lynched.
And what's even more peculiar is how he accused me of being a ruthless packmate voter the second I put that first vote on him. As if he was deliberately trying to make me look bad in advance. Really. What do you think how things would look if Euro died and he turns out to be a wolf? That post was designed to make me look evil. Really.
No, the longer I think about it, the more I am feel I'm on the right thrack here.
So my vote stays, until either Euro dies, or I die.
I find this response very strange, you know. I point out SPLIT's voting and the not-so-villagery sides to them, and you jump on my afterthought where Tamius gave him a possible alibi vote? And the best case against him, day 2, you dismiss with a curt "I'm not buying this"?
I'm not buying this because I do not care how many "not-so-villagery sides" his voting behaviour had, if a single event may obliterate all that shady stuff by means of very good evidence of his innocence.
Yet, that particular bit you are glossing over with a single, curt "possible alibi vote?" sentence.
You shouldn't be tossing up empty statements like this. Look at the actual post. In context. What was the count? What was he responding to? WHY was that vote made when it was made?
And then, and ONLY then, can you conclude this particular event didn't actually clear anyone.
And, lo and behold, you seemed to respond just as dismissively then...
EUROO, I am seriously pissed at you. You were here, you had time to argue, yet you didn't vote.
OK, we need subs for Nautilu and EUROO. hdk, reis, anyone?
Final Votecount, Day 3:
(3) Najs - gigau, Cody, Kingepyon
(2) Split - E_L/Falc, Najs
(1) Randy - Rendap, SPLIT
(1) E_L/Falc - snoop
(1) gigau - Gradiant
(1) EURO - Randy
nv: EURO, Nautilu
Thank you, Najs.
Your logic is far from its usual quality here Randakar...
The people tied were Boris, Euro and Najs. If those were 3 wolves, then Tamius is the fourth and then it's not even about candidates, it's simple maths that Split isn't a wolf.
Ah, but SPLIT had NO votes yet. If you need an extra candidate, pick someone who has a vote already! Tamius is known to like ties, so putting a fourth guy at 2 votes wouldn't raise suspicion. I expect him to know that.
But a 'throwaway' vote is the perfect time for an alibi. You're a wolf, you don't want to vote anywhere near the tie for fear of exposing yourself. You need to vote someone. When are you going to get a better time to cast a vote on a packmate without putting him in danger? Tamius clearly wasn't thinking ruthlessly, he'd have voted Boris if he was.
For me, the odds are better than 50% that that was an alibi vote.
But let's not forget that that wasn't actually the key to my suspicion, Split's own votes were far from innocent. Although, I must say that Najs' innocence makes his day 1 vote less worthy of suspicion.
Second is Comm Cody. He has been happily bandwagoning without posting a reason the entire game. He jumped on Najs early to put him up to 3 votes to Euro's and snoop's 1, then continues on day 2 to bandwagon tamius. Same argument here: was he a newbie that was told by someone to alibi vote? Or is he just doing random stuff. The lack of reasons and the pushing a single target ahead would normally make me suspicious, but is it just him not knowing what he's doing?
The next is randakar. randakar claims that he is not a wolf because he has not alibied on one yet. Which I would agree with to some extent, but randakar doesn't like to make obvious alibi votes. On day 1 he switched from snoop to euro after euro had gotten some votes already (I'll come back to euro/hdk soon) and then on day 2, he helps push tamius 2 votes ahead, and decides that this was a bad idea, and switches off to a a third party, Nautilu, who only has 1 vote at the time. Which confuses me, as randy obviously chose tamius as his favourite target, but then changed when he saw the count. It's obvious why he didn't put it on Rendap - he stated earlier that he didn't like Rendap as a target, and it would still lead to tamius getting lynched, and he could not be accused of bandwagoning if tamius wasn't a wolf.
Continuing on with snoop!
Snoop put a pretty important vote on Boris. There's alibi voting, and then there's getting your packmate killed. This falls under getting your packmate killed. I've seen it happen, so I'm not going to completely rule snoop out, but he's likely not a wolf. On day two he puts a vote on Nautilu, doesn't say why, and keeps his vote there. This move is consistent with day 1, when he took a vote off of Najs, who had a couple vote lead, and put it onto Boris. Why Nautilu instead of Rendap? Maybe he knew tamius was a wolf and didn't want to seem like he was saving someone? I don't really know, but it's something to think about. Day 3 saw an early vote on E_L/Falc that stuck. A decent reason to lynch E_L, little information and inactivity, with 4 days remaining until parity. He missed me in his list of "The people who've voted wolfs", though, which makes me sad If snoop is a wolf, this is a game well played. Consistent with his votes, with only the Nautilu vote on day 2 making me question him.
Rendap is next. Rendap falls under the category of providing unintentional(?) assistance to a known wolf. Lucky for us, hdk was there to set us right, and we ended up getting Boris anyway. Rendap did do something interesting on the end of day 1, start of day 2. He pushed tamius for an odd throw away during a 3 way tie, and suggested tamius for a lynch. He was right. Considering Rendap was up for a lynch due to his bad luck(?) on day 1, this really saved him. So is this Rendap creating an alibi for himself at the expense of a packmate? I hope not, or I haven't been paying attention to Rendap very well. He doesn't seem like the type to be that cut-throat. Maybe he can vote a packmate as an alibi, but lead the charge in getting one lynched? I don't think Rendap is that kind of player.
Last is E_L/Falc. This one is hard. A throw away on day 1, and a vote on split on day 3. Falc is one who will kill of his packmates in order to make himself appear "clear" so it's very hard to actually clear Falc. Falc is a good target for a lynch because we have time (I'm not suggesting we lynch all of euro, split, Falc - just 1 to cut down the confusion later) as we know nothing about him and he is very likely going to alibi vote on someone later.
Randy, come on, you must try harder and fill up an entire page with your analysis! I know you can do it!
Uh .. wait. I *defended* Euro?
In what dimension do you live?
He's pretty high on my suspect list right now, you know.
Starting to be less sure on it, mind - not sure why. Maybe too many people who are convinced of his innocence?