Preventing the US civil war and the Alaskan Purchase

[ilikepie]

I'm playing a game as the USA trying to prevent the civil war. As far as I can tell once I get past 1867 when the slavery debate modifier ends, I'm in the clear. So I'm not admitting any new states unless their southern ones, as I don't even know if making colonies states provides an advantage. I'm also choosing all conservative issues in election events so that liberals don't get 30 percent and start the CW. I'm trying to get Russia to do the alaskan purchase decision so I looked in the files, and it says that I need the global flag US_civil_war_has_happened or something like that. Can that flag be given if the war is averted? Or do I actually need to purposefully incite a Civil War just so that they'll sell me Alaska. Anyone had a game where you've gotten alaska even without the civil war happening?

[Selzro]

Hm, I have never seen a game where the ACW doesn't happen. I wasn't even aware it was possible to avert it.

[Jorlaan]

I tried a bunch of times to avoid it pre-AHD but never could manage. Just wanted to see if it could be done and I couldn't.

[sarissa]

in order for a house divided to fire both john browns last raid and the dred scott decision must have fired, also the USA must have slavery.

the slavery debate prevents you form outlawing slavery and it will fire you cant prevent that, if you can manage to outlaw slavery before that even you can avoid the civil war.

John Brown's Raid fires when you have at least 10% liberals in The UH and any free state has a CON of 6

Dred Scott v. Sandford fires when you have at least 10% liberals in The UH and any slave state has a CON of 5

From what i see the house divided event is the only way to remove the slavery debate , and having slavery give you a slew of con raising events, it woud get pretty hard to keep con very low all the way to the end game.

[DrProsek]

The Slavery Debate does eventually go away though some time in the 1870s, just far too late for you to miss the ACW. The only thing I can think of is 1) Keep liberals out of office, and 2) Keep that CON low. Use naitonal focuses to drum up support for conservatives in northern states (especially New England), whenever an event comes up relating to slavery try to balance the two sides, or favor the slave owners if it comes down to it, and just hope the RNG God favours you today. Problem is you then need to move fast to get Liberals into power to outlaw slavery without accidently also tripping the ACW...

[calvinhobbeslik]

Why do LIBERALS lead to the Civil War? The Southerners were certainly NOT liberal, even in the classical sense...

[Selzro]

It's not the Southerner politicians that lead to war, but the election of (anti-slavery) liberals in Washington DC. However, it's been my experience that by the time liberals get elected they also have a great following in the South, and when the CSA has its first elections it ends up with a liberal party in power.

[Fenrir 1576]

Why do LIBERALS lead to the Civil War? The Southerners were certainly NOT liberal, even in the classical sense...

Because the liberals of the time, the Republicans, wanted to outlaw slavery, which to southerners was considered their right and livelihood. It makes sense that if there aren't liberals that are arguing for major change to the southern economy and social structure, then the south wouldn't secede.
EDIT: Dang, emu'd.

[ilikepie]

In one of my previous US games that I got to 1880's I had outlawed slavery incidentally around 1850. I thought there was still a chance of the ACW happening as I think there were still slave states.

[Derp]

Yeah, if you can outlaw slavery before the Slavery Debate event fires the entire chain derails.

[ilikepie]

So is the civil war a good thing or bad thang?! How come the border states which historically went with the union always join the CSA except maryland and washington dc?

[Selzro]

It's a good thing if you're the Union because it lets you end the slavery debate brutally and efficiently. It's a good thing if you want to play as the Confederates because it lets you do just that. It's a good thing if you're an up and coming power in the Americas (or an imperialistic great power from outside the Americas) because it splits the power of the USA, and that split can be made more permanent with some light intervention from you. So it's a good thing all around.

As tensions increase between the states, CSA cores gradually appear in slave states - but that process is somewhat random, so it may affect more or fewer states depending on the date of the civil war and other factors.

[Lord Curlyton]

Of course, the Civil War is still far too easy to win. Just make your troops non-Dixie and you'll barely have any defections upon ACW trigger, at which point if you've built your military you basically roflstomp the CSA. It may take a couple years but that will be primarily siegeing, not fighting. Though it would be nice to avfert the ACW every once in a while. Would getting reactionaries in powers and turning away from democracy help?

[Derp]

Though it would be nice to avfert the ACW every once in a while. Would getting reactionaries in powers and turning away from democracy help?

The only way to prevent the ACW chain from starting is to abolish slavery before it can start.
You can be as reactionary and undemocratic as possible and the war will still happen if you meet the conditions sarissa mentioned.