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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Quigleone View Post
    Will there be an alternate history scenario where Nazi Germany beat the Soviet Union, and there's a Germany vs. US Cold War?

    Or maybe a Germany vs. Japan cold war...

    Or Germany vs. Japan vs. USA? Oh the possibilities...
    I think you're highly mistaken in believing that any war with the Third Reich would be "cold". Nuclear weapons or no nuclear weapons, that war would be, most assuredly, "hot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiisatai64 View Post
    I think you're highly mistaken in believing that any war with the Third Reich would be "cold". Nuclear weapons or no nuclear weapons, that war would be, most assuredly, "hot".
    Why would it be? The USA would be content in its isolation, while Europe + Asia + Africa would happily cheer the benevolent and wise leadership of the Reich
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    Quote Originally Posted by kunadam View Post
    Why would it be? The USA would be content in its isolation, while Europe + Asia + Africa would happily cheer the benevolent and wise leadership of the Reich
    Ah yes, I see what you did there

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    Quote Originally Posted by kunadam View Post
    Why would it be? The USA would be content in its isolation, while Europe + Asia + Africa would happily cheer the benevolent and wise leadership of the Reich
    Depending on the alternative timeline of course but I think that a US-German Cold War would be between a European bloc (probably excluding the UK) bounded by the Urals and Caucasus, and probably with a highly contested Middle East. Japan was dead meat. And China would probably have been the Republic of China, and sought after by both sides. As for a Japanese victory... I thought this was alternative history not tales of delusion!
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    Depends of what it means for Japan to win. Winning against the USA is tale of delusion. But if Japan would have been content with attacking the USSR and China... that would mean a Japaneese hegemony in the far east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evans View Post
    Depending on the alternative timeline of course but I think that a US-German Cold War would be between a European bloc (probably excluding the UK) bounded by the Urals and Caucasus, and probably with a highly contested Middle East. Japan was dead meat. And China would probably have been the Republic of China, and sought after by both sides. As for a Japanese victory... I thought this was alternative history not tales of delusion!
    I will reffer to the fitting movie "Wargames".

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    Finally! i always wanted a more modern paradox grand strategy game would be like

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    Quote Originally Posted by kunadam View Post
    Why would it be? The USA would be content in its isolation, while Europe + Asia + Africa would happily cheer the benevolent and wise leadership of the Reich
    According to Adolf's dream for the New World Order, there indeed would be no hot war in the Americas, at least not in his lifetime. In his words, "an invasion of the Western-Hemisphere is about as fantastic as an invasion of the moon." He wanted to keep the US out of German affairs until the Reich had secured an extended power-base, greater manpower, and an alliance with Great Britain (however deluded that vision may be). I for one, believe that the Cold War would boil down to a stalemate of nearly constant aggression similar to 1984, had the 3rdReich prevailed.

    A 3rdReich/GEACPS/USA mod for this game (once it is released) would likely be awesome. I envision that the point of divergence would start in the USA not joining the war soon enough, resulting in an unchanging trans-Atlantic conflict between Germany and the USA/UK. Once the middle east is reached, as well as Siberia, conflict would brew between Japan and the Reich as the Germans realize how weak and fractured Japan's rule in China is, and the Japanese begin to feel threatened as the Reich demands more from them. The goal of the game would be to either win the war faster than your opponents (and yourself) can develop and utilize advanced nuclear arms, or maneuver around political aims and diplomatic barriers to obtain a lasting peace before the world is slowly choked to death by irradiated clouds and burning cities. Rather than starting off cold and escalating into a hot war, you would start hot and try to cool things off before they became too dangerous.

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    Moving into dangerous territory here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sincleric View Post
    According to Adolf's dream for the New World Order, there indeed would be no hot war in the Americas, at least not in his lifetime. In his words, "an invasion of the Western-Hemisphere is about as fantastic as an invasion of the moon." He wanted to keep the US out of German affairs until the Reich had secured an extended power-base, greater manpower, and an alliance with Great Britain (however deluded that vision may be). I for one, believe that the Cold War would boil down to a stalemate of nearly constant aggression similar to 1984, had the 3rdReich prevailed.

    A 3rdReich/GEACPS/USA mod for this game (once it is released) would likely be awesome. I envision that the point of divergence would start in the USA not joining the war soon enough, resulting in an unchanging trans-Atlantic conflict between Germany and the USA/UK. Once the middle east is reached, as well as Siberia, conflict would brew between Japan and the Reich as the Germans realize how weak and fractured Japan's rule in China is, and the Japanese begin to feel threatened as the Reich demands more from them. The goal of the game would be to either win the war faster than your opponents (and yourself) can develop and utilize advanced nuclear arms, or maneuver around political aims and diplomatic barriers to obtain a lasting peace before the world is slowly choked to death by irradiated clouds and burning cities. Rather than starting off cold and escalating into a hot war, you would start hot and try to cool things off before they became too dangerous.
    You should watch the movie "Fatherland" from 1994 it shows the situation quite well. I would link to a video on Youtube but it includes swastikas, just search on YT for "Fatherland intro".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiisatai64 View Post
    Moving into dangerous territory here...
    You have no idea how long I spent editing my post so that it didn't prompt any movement in that direction.

    But if you must know, [STATEMENT REDACTED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Overlord123 View Post
    You should watch the movie "Fatherland" from 1994 it shows the situation quite well. I would link to a video on Youtube but it includes swastikas, just search on YT for "Fatherland intro".
    I've seen it. I didn't like some parts, liked some others. Overall a good film for those interested in plausible alternate histories and timeline stuff. In other news, vague statements are vague.

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    Just don make this game into a USA bs U.S.S.R game with any other nation eing boring as hell.Gotta love playing as Greece since ill start in the middle of a civil war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sincleric View Post
    According to Adolf's dream for the New World Order, there indeed would be no hot war in the Americas, at least not in his lifetime. In his words, "an invasion of the Western-Hemisphere is about as fantastic as an invasion of the moon." He wanted to keep the US out of German affairs until the Reich had secured an extended power-base, greater manpower, and an alliance with Great Britain (however deluded that vision may be).
    Not really an expert of the subject, but wasn't Adolf a bit inconsistent about Germany's future plans? If I'm not uncorrect, after the victory over France and the successful beginning of the campaing in Russia he began to think that it was possible to defeat also the USA in his lifetime... Then, after 1942, he changed his mind again.

    Just to say it's hard to imagine the world if the III reich had prevailed. But I agree that a "fatherland" mod would be quite interesting!

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    This is awesome, there are not a whole lot of cold war games. Can't wait to see how it turns out!
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    Well, I was just lurking through the forums when I saw this. Nice to see Paradox developing in conjuction with another dev a Cold War game.
    As I am from Argentina, I have an special interest in the period the game is set.

    After reading the whole thread, I only have 2 doubts:
    1-How will the world's economics be represented in the game? (Abstract IC's like in HOI? Individual factories like in S.Ruler/Victoria? How would you differentiate the production and financial system? Will be Inflation present in the game?)

    2-How would 3rd Wolrd Countries (As per Ideological classification, not economical) be represented? As with any Paradox game that allows history to diverge from real world results, It would be extremely neat to avoid having coup d'etats in Argentina while at the same time eliminating any communist influence.

    PS: How do I register games? I have had since a long time EU3+NA (retail package) in my shelf, will the code on the reverse of the case work here?

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    little in the way of guerilla warfare (i am pretty sure that with the HoI3-way of doing things, throwing large amounts of americans at the VC solves the problem within a month)
    LOL. I have always thought the same. Specially in mods where you have to deal with colonial uprisings: Build a huge fleet of transports in less than 3 months -> Load all your troops -> Doom for anything that stands in your way. Like....to fight against 8 Rebel Militia Divisions with 20 tank divisions in Kaiserreich is a little bit too cheap.

    I believe that if the player has a democratic goverment...he has to submit a vote to the congress while having a Casus Belli (Embargo, territorial recuperation, etc etc)
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