Alliances?

[Captnhowdy320]

Can anybody explain to me why The King of Norway can call the King of England to war when it say's they cannot?

IMHO alliances is this game is absolutely ridiculous. Were alliances back in the day absolutely shoddy like they are in this game?

You can't but yet somehow you can call somebody into war? And when you can call someone to war you suddenly aren't able to ask them to join in your wars?

WTF. Somebody needs some splanin to do.

[Best of em all]

I have problems with alliances as well some are just plain stupid and they are almost impossible to get at she player since everyone who is of any use doesent want an alliance with you even if they arent getting an alliance

[Rakenshi1243]

It makes sense that Norway would call England to war, especially if they're both Yingling.

[Sopot]

I never bother trying to get alliances, if you have to rely on others, then you don't deserve to rule. Best quote on the subject: "Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised."

Calling in people depends on the situation.
Example: You can't call in anyones vassal, unless you both have the same liege. I'm not 100% sure of this but you can't call in someone you've called in in the last 5 years.

[Captnhowdy320]

The alliances need to be straightforward like in EU3. So you know who and who not to attack. This game it's mostly guessing work on if an Enemy will/if/can call an ally into a war.

It makes sense that Norway would call England to war, especially if they're both Yingling.

They are not

[s1234567890m]

The alliances need to be straightforward like in EU3. So you know who and who not to attack. This game it's mostly guessing work on if an Enemy will/if/can call an ally into a war.



They are not

But alliances are based on family ties? Not formal agreements between states?

[Captnhowdy320]

But alliances are based on family ties? Not formal agreements between states?

No I don't mean like I want alliances just between countries now. I want alliances where you know exactly if they are allied or not. The alliances to me are just really vague.

And they REALLY need to get rid of the waiting 5 years to call some one into war. Because that's what I think happened with England in this situation.

So they either need to completely get rid of it or tell you how long before Person X can join into Person Y's war's.

[Lac du Bois]

The alliances need to be straightforward like in EU3. So you know who and who not to attack. This game it's mostly guessing work on if an Enemy will/if/can call an ally into a war.

Use the diplomatic viewer and click on the kingdom you want to view alliances for. It will show who they are allied with, at war with, etc. Allies are more likely to accept a call to arms if they have a favorable view of the asker. Alliances can be very important for small-time rulers because without backup it may be almost impossible to conquer anyone using your single county's troops.

The one thing I think is missing is the ability to ask an ally before a war whether they will join you. Like, "hey brother, theoretically speaking... if I was to attack Capua would you back me up?" As it is there are some situations where my war starts, the ally refuses to join, and I just say "ha, I was just kidding, white peace!"

[Wanzer]

I don't know if it's just me, but I've never been able to get an ally to join my war. Liking me or not doesn't seem to even matter, they just never, ever join.

[Kynaz]

Example: You can't call in anyones vassal, unless you both have the same liege. I'm not 100% sure of this but you can't call in someone you've called in in the last 5 years.

This is probably not historically accurate , but i understand why they did it. Because without this limitation , you can literally conquer entire Kingdoms in no time. I remember my first Castille game. I managed to ally myself with the HRE. I went to war , called him in and did nothing while his 10k doom stacks won me a free duchy. IF i could have done it again straight after , Iberia , Africa and 1/2 the world would belong to me.

[Comradebot]

I never bother trying to get alliances, if you have to rely on others, then you don't deserve to rule.

Only good advice if you're starting with a power player or plan to use every gamey tactic in the book. Trying playing as a single county Count somewhere without super easy expansion targets nearby, or freakin' Nubia. Smart rulers form alliances because it's free troops for the cost of a daughter who, really, only serves a purpose of creating alliances. You're just a silly goose if you're intentionally ignoring that. But hey, at least you can claim you "deserved" to rule before the guys who did form alliances smack you down 10:1 before you can forcibly take the land you'd need to otherwise stand up to them.

Calling in people depends on the situation.
Example: You can't call in anyones vassal, unless you both have the same liege. I'm not 100% sure of this but you can't call in someone you've called in in the last 5 years.

I think it's a little buggy. You can call someone in as often as you want so long as they don't decline. However, I think it removes the options for you to call them in for five years if you answer one of their calls... which I think is a bug. And no, you can't call in vassals from outside your realm, and you can't call in the leaders of a realm to help fight battles inside your own realm. Something like an independence war where you technically don't have a liege at least for the duration, however, are fair game to call in otherwise outside aid.

[daBiggestOrk]

You can call to arms any ally in the same realm as you, even vassals of the guy you're fighting (which is awesome).
You can't call to arms any ally who's in a different realm, unless you're both independent. You also can't call anyone who's ditched you in the last five years and you can't call your own vassals.
Those seems to be the only rules.

[Best of em all]

did they lower the chance of alliance members accepting a war invitation? i invited france to a war had a 4+ and he still refused even tho he wasnt at war