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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebos26 View Post
    It was not forced on them. the Scottish monarch inherited England! not the other way around! really they merged because the Stuart dynasty took over england.
    Read up on the Act of Union.

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    again. they agreed to it. it wasn't forced on them
    If everyone thinks alike, like kids try to do during school, then the world would be incredibally boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebos26 View Post
    again. they agreed to it. it wasn't forced on them
    They "agreed" to it because they were in massive debt and England offered to assume it.

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    but they still said yes
    If everyone thinks alike, like kids try to do during school, then the world would be incredibally boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calvinhobbeslik View Post
    They "agreed" to it because they were in massive debt and England offered to assume it.
    Actually same way Bavaria got to be in the German Empire.
    Prussia paid their debt and as a quid pro quo the bavarian king was the one offering the Prussian king the German Imperial Crown.
    It is a matter of a king saying yes, granted, but in a time were even the more liberal minded people still had a hard time thinking of a world without kings, the kings word was the peoples word.
    As for no common cultural heritage:
    I would think that something like 800 years of warfare <nd unions has breed some kind of mutual culture and linguistic similarities.
    Also Scottish is no more an independent langauge than Bavarian. Both are dialects, nothing more.
    And as far as i know Scotland does not even do the 'original language teaching' that Ireland tries to do, though with mixed success.

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    Am I the only Scot who gets a bit offended by foreigners constantly inferring that we are not free and that we exist as subjects to the English? I'm not usually insulted on national terms but I think some people have watched too much Braveheart.

    We are British living in the UK and Scots in our own segment of it. We are barely even different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpreston5 View Post
    Am I the only Scot who gets a bit offended by foreigners constantly inferring that we are not free and that we exist as subjects to the English? I'm not usually insulted on national terms but I think some people have watched too much Braveheart.

    We are British living in the UK and Scots in our own segment of it. We are barely even different.
    Then stop making a fuss about Scottish Independence and the referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpreston5 View Post
    Am I the only Scot who gets a bit offended by foreigners constantly inferring that we are not free and that we exist as subjects to the English? I'm not usually insulted on national terms but I think some people have watched too much Braveheart.

    We are British living in the UK and Scots in our own segment of it. We are barely even different.
    Actually i got my glasses from 'Trainspotting'.
    "It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ywhtptgtfo View Post
    Then stop making a fuss about Scottish Independence and the referendum.
    That's Salmond the Hutt making the noise, and the SNP. Most Scots right now aren't in favour of independence, but they vote for the SNP because they have the same social-democrat economic policies as Labour, plus it seems as though they are more focused on issues specific to Scotland and they have good enviromental policies.

    People just put up with the incessant calls for independence and the media just exploits the issue for sales. We honestly don't care in general.

    And Trainspotting is excellent, but bear in mind the guy's an uninformed junkie.

    Anywho this is very offtopic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calvinhobbeslik View Post
    They "agreed" to it because they were in massive debt and England offered to assume it.
    Don't forget that Westminster had made it pretty clear they weren't going to tolerate a potentially hostile power to their rear any more. Scotland got fairly good terms for union, considering that otherwise the English probably would have found a good excuse to conquer them had they refused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naselus View Post
    Don't forget that Westminster had made it pretty clear they weren't going to tolerate a potentially hostile power to their rear any more. Scotland got fairly good terms for union, considering that otherwise the English probably would have found a good excuse to conquer them had they refused.
    I am under the impression that the union was quite widely opposed anyway, although the leading politicians managed to blaze through it.

    IMO, the union is a good thing for both countries though.

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    Because a thread about rebels has anything to do with the British-Scottish relation
    Although i agree rebels are a bit crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebos26 View Post
    but they still said yes
    But not for cultural reasons. It was a political/dynastic decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klausewitz View Post
    Actually same way Bavaria got to be in the German Empire.
    Prussia paid their debt and as a quid pro quo the bavarian king was the one offering the Prussian king the German Imperial Crown.
    It is a matter of a king saying yes, granted, but in a time were even the more liberal minded people still had a hard time thinking of a world without kings, the kings word was the peoples word.
    As for no common cultural heritage:
    I would think that something like 800 years of warfare <nd unions has breed some kind of mutual culture and linguistic similarities.
    Also Scottish is no more an independent langauge than Bavarian. Both are dialects, nothing more.
    And as far as i know Scotland does not even do the 'original language teaching' that Ireland tries to do, though with mixed success.
    I'm just going to address your points as they relate to the game, because I feel like my post has started to derail this discussion. The Scots language is Celtic in origin and so are the Scots themselves. The English were many Anglo-Saxon invaders from Denmark and Northern Germany. Of course, as neighbors they affected each other, but my original point was that through game mechanics (Scottish Nationalist rebels or a Free People CB) Scotland can become independent. I disagree that they should be so easily re-absorbed when the UK inevitably spheres them. I don't think this makes much sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpreston5 View Post
    Am I the only Scot who gets a bit offended by foreigners constantly inferring that we are not free and that we exist as subjects to the English? I'm not usually insulted on national terms but I think some people have watched too much Braveheart.

    We are British living in the UK and Scots in our own segment of it. We are barely even different.
    Well, I'm not saying your aren't free. I'm just saying that a Scotsman living in this game's era would be unlikely to rise up in revolt of an independent Scotland and demand to be re-united with England.

    Quote Originally Posted by ywhtptgtfo View Post
    I am under the impression that the union was quite widely opposed anyway, although the leading politicians managed to blaze through it.

    IMO, the union is a good thing for both countries though.
    I was also under that impression. The countries had warred with each other for centuries and Scotland maintained an alliance with England's arch-nemesis France (the Auld Alliance) specifically to guard against an English invasion.

    Quote Originally Posted by videonfan View Post
    Because a thread about rebels has anything to do with the British-Scottish relation
    Although i agree rebels are a bit crazy
    Sorry for starting this mess! The point was supposed to relate to problems I was having with the Pan-nationalist rebel mechanic.

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