Help requested: How to play the Hordes (DW 5.2 beta)?

Eventually you will reach a point where regardless of your numbers, their tech is just too much and even their smallest stacks will wipe yours.

PrawnStar did a world conquest as Golden Horde, but that may have been before the major overhauls from Divine Wind...

Well since I was able to beat ming as the mongol khanate (due to superior cavalry, military tradition, etc.) , I'm sure every horde is quite playable, you'll just have to learn to deal with rebels!

The hardest part of a horde game is right before you westernise and during westernisation, you want to be sure you have no powerful neighbours then!

birdike12 said:

Yeah, I read the PrawnStar AAR but it was way before DW so the Horde mechanics are not present.

So as I understand changing your government from the horde one is a must, since I just read on the wiki that you can't even build ships with a horde...

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pretty much, either you do it by forming mughals or the hard way
Unless ofcourse you're so skilled that all of europe is conquered before the tech gap becomes an issue, but that's just silly

Well you can try building armies up to the minting limit(to the point you gain 1 ducat at full minting) and start conquering until you reach lisboa, safi, malaysia, korea and the southern african tribes, then form mughals, start building fleet, and invade all island countries. Best to do it with timurids - try allying golden horde, and making royal marriages with all muslim hordes(to get chance for random inheritance). I suppose it IS possible to do it before 1500. Not sure thou, this is just a mere assumption.

In theory you can conquer all of Europe, sans islands, and the middle east before you fall too far behind in tech. Just be careful about your conquest, so that you always only fight one big enemy at a time.
Then you should try get the Timurids, preferably by inheriting a PU, or else just conquest. Then you can westernise using the Mughal Empire event, and grab the rest of the world.

The big problem with playing as a horde is that they don't have any way to wipe out armies. All the normal ways are disabled for hordes, so it's like fighting in the bad old days of EU3 v1.0. It means you may have to chase ping-ponging armies for years before the finally get wiped out. It's incredibly tedious, and in my mind makes hordes unplayable.

As a minor problem, you will also get the unlawful territory event when you conquer the HRE. Here I would recommend you just cheat, and change the event so it doesn't apply to Hordes. The current version is just silly.

idont said:

As a minor problem, you will also get the unlawful territory event when you conquer the HRE. Here I would recommend you just cheat, and change the event so it doesn't apply to Hordes. The current version is just silly.

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Wasn't this patched in 5.2? The 5.1 and below way around it is declare war on another horde. The event only fires if you're not at war, and a horde being at war with a non-horde doesn't count as a war.

Use this time to disable the HRE!

Conax said:

Wasn't this patched in 5.2? The 5.1 and below way around it is declare war on another horde. The event only fires if you're not at war, and a horde being at war with a non-horde doesn't count as a war.

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It's changed in 5.2 so Formal Request only fires for Christian countries.