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I think there are some ways in which you could collapse your battleship list, Kung, but they require retuning our heads to the '88 frequency and are bound to cause a raising of eyebrows from a lot of players. I'll start with the most controversial.

[*] Ironclad - 1873, Displacement around 10000tn. Turreships only, e.g. not Ram-ships. Devastation and Dreadnought class.

Service life for this class was calculated at around 20 years, so by 1888 most of the ships figuring in this group weren't far from the breaker's yard. Additionally, advances in armour quality and big-gun performance had left them unfitted for fleet use. The result was that those that hadn't been turned into depot ships and the like had mostly been re-classified as 'coast defence' ships. Now for the controversial part - Torpedo Boats were also originally designed as purpose built coast defence units while destroyers didn't begin arriving until 1893 (as fleet escorts to protect against TBs when operating off an enemy coast) and didn't show any real combat advantage over TBs other than operating range until the River class of 1903 - just about kick-off for your World War. So the obvious move is to junk the 'Destroyer' build category and replace it with 'Coast Defence' - some of which will be gun armed (your 1873 Ironclads) and some torpedo armed (the original TBs). When it comes time to build genuine destroyers you can introduce them as low-grade, reduced range unprotected cruisers which is tactically what they were.

The rest is a lot more straightforward.

[*] Breech loading Ironclads - 1880, an example would be Colossus class battleship from 1882)

Since the distinguishing feature is an 'armament' advance rather than a 'ship' advance I wouldn't have thought they warranted a category of their own. In any event they were rapidly overtaken by the Admirals so I think you could safely drop them back to the Coast Defence classification or lump them in with the Admirals. I'd go for the former.

[*] Pre-dreadnought - 1885, an example would be Admiral Class together with the two subsequent classes Victoria and Traflagar class.

These would then be your first genuine Battleship class.

[*] Pre-dreadnought "something else" - 1890, an example would be Royal Sovereign class. displacement around 14500

I think you're on the money here - a significant upscaling - and with the various successors a numerically important group.

[*] Pre-dreadnought "something else" - 1895, an example would be Majestic class. displacement around 14500

You have enough qualitative improvements here to justify them as a separate build group.

[*] Pre-dreadnought "something else" - 1900, an example would be Formidable and London class, may also include Duncan if needed. displacement around 14500

You could certainly argue that they represent a significant improvement, but they can equally be viewed as a variation on the Majestic theme. If you have the space you could keep them separate - if not I think it would be perfectly defensible to lump them in with their predecessors.

[*] Pre-dreadnought "something else" - 1904, the most advanced ship in the game at start. Edward VII class is a good example!

These definitely need a stand alone group - first because of the new design direction and then because of their bleed into the Dreadnought.

Now all you have to do is wait for all the naval grognards to get on board with competing views and you should be able to sort something out from the resulting mess.
 
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