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    Quote Originally Posted by YF-23 View Post
    He didn't say that, but the way he said it, which could easily be perceived as the passive-aggressive stance that people have been complaining about, seemed to imply it. He's rejected that he meant it that way though, and I wouldn't think he was lying about that unless I was given reason to.
    No, he has explicitly made reference to it like saying "it wouldn't surprise me if EU4 had features from MMtG"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangeroustom View Post
    No, he has explicitly made reference to it like saying "it wouldn't surprise me if EU4 had features from MMtG"
    ...and? Magna Mundi is an almost complete game (if not playable enough), millions and millions of code lines now unused in PI hands. I wouldn't be surprised, either - but because PI PAID for that lines.

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    No, he said

    Quote Originally Posted by k_merse View Post
    I won't be surprised if we'll see soon an announced EU4 with surprisingly similar features to MMtG.
    Which doesn't say the same features. He could be telling the truth when he says that he meant 'inspired by' MM features (though frankly, he invites misinterpretation and does imply that Paradox killed MMtG to steal the code and eliminate competition, so he's either guilty of lack of clarity or dishonesty).
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    Also it happened with the mod as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeissRaben View Post
    ...and? Magna Mundi is an almost complete game (if not playable enough), millions and millions of code lines now unused in PI hands. I wouldn't be surprised, either - but because PI PAID for that lines.
    Its still saying that PI cancelled the game to steal the code from UV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangeroustom View Post
    Its still saying that PI cancelled the game to steal the code from UV.
    Nope. It's saying that the game was cancelled, and now there are millions of lines left to rot. I'm not pro-UV at all, but speculation asks for moderation. Est modus in rebus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangeroustom View Post
    No, he has explicitly made reference to it like saying "it wouldn't surprise me if EU4 had features from MMtG"
    Yes, but that doesn't explicitly state anything about Paradox' intentions. He isn't saying they did it to "steal" MM's features, at least not explicitly, and he later denied it. It could be damage control, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt and believe it was merely bad wording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descri View Post
    Also it happened with the mod as well.
    With what? The Holy Roman Empire and Japanese system, but even those seem pretty obvious additions.

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    Submitted to demonstrate why many are so baffled by UV's behavior over this. Here's one CEO responding to disaster:

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    "Who is responsible?"...I am. Half my job at Kerberos is to be the one that makes the hard call. What gets prioritized. What gets pulled. What gets released. What get accepted. And in many ways, what gets said. When push comes to shove, I am the one who makes the deal with the devil. When something is supposed to be watched, its me who has to know the answer. When the switch got thrown on the wrong build, costing many of you an extra big download and letting loose an extra buggy code base, I was in traffic instead of giving the yay or nay myself. That should not have been...hell I should have insisted nothing moved until the right code had been there and confirmed multiple times. Instead I blew it and bad things happened.

    So lets set this straight here. When you are dealing with SotS2 this weekend and wondering quite rightly "Who is to blame for this?!!" The answer is me. NOT Paradox...NOT Steam and certainly NOT my team. All of those forces have been exemplary in helping deal with a bad situation. When it comes to who should be at the end of anyone's fingerpoint, it's just plain ol' me....
    Here's another:

    Greetings Magna Mundi fans,

    I am just writing this post to let you know that Universo Virtual and myself will answer in the proper legal forum to the weird "cancellation" of the game. I'd also like to make it known the "cancellation" issue is just a detail on everything that's going to be settled there.

    I am not going to allow that my name and my credibility are to be placed in jeopardy as they have been for some time now. I intend to come out of this with a big smile in my face and my name clean....

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    Eh, while I don't think ubik's response would have been much more humble, I'm not sure you can directly compare the two situations, given that in the first case the customers did get a very buggy product, and in the second were spared it.

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    To be fair, I think that particular response was actually to their having released a beta version of the game accidentally on release day.

    It was not a direct response to the fact that the REAL v 1.0 wasn't much of an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred Packer View Post
    Wow. That actually makes me want to buy SOTS2...that's a real classy statement.
    In fairness, I don't know whether they actually followed through, as I don't have SotS2. However, they at least got step one right.

    Quote Originally Posted by YF-23 View Post
    Eh, while I don't think ubik's response would have been much more humble, I'm not sure you can directly compare the two situations, given that in the first case the customers did get a very buggy product, and in the second were spared it.
    You and Tomm_Peng are both correct, but I just wanted to focus on the issue of accepting responsibility for your project or finger-pointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomn_Peng View Post
    The problem is, how many others would be willing to pay that? I dunno about you, but 300 bucks isn't exactly small change for me. If I pay 300 bucks for a video game I'd damn well expect to spend a day or two in an orgasmic coma just by starting the game up, and however good Magna Mundi might be (in a hypothetical situation where Magna Mundi is not a giant mass of bugs) I doubt it's THAT good.
    As a post-graduate of history, I have very little money, I tend not to buy games on release, and usually wait until they're on a big sale on Steam. And this is for games I actually want, I've never hugely enjoyed MM, so I don't think I'd pay more than £9.99 for it. It's personal opinion of course, but some people should get perspective. Paying $300 for a game that continually crashes is not a great idea, no matter how much you enjoyed the mod.
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    Why are we even talking about that? That sort of pricing is not merely ridiculous, it's hardly within the realm of possibility for a game like what MM would have been, talking about prices higher than 30, 40 bucks/Euros tops is completely pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YF-23 View Post
    Why are we even talking about that? That sort of pricing is not merely ridiculous, it's hardly within the realm of possibility for a game like what MM would have been, talking about prices higher than 30, 40 bucks/Euros tops is completely pointless.
    The reason we are talking about it is because people want MMtG to release and they know that it won't sell enough copies to recoup the money at £40 so thats why the price was set at £300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangeroustom View Post
    Its still saying that PI cancelled the game to steal the code from UV.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_merse View Post
    No.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangeroustom View Post
    The reason we are talking about it is because people want MMtG to release and they know that it won't sell enough copies to recoup the money at £40 so thats why the price was set at £300.
    Yes but that price is so beyond outlandish that there's really no point talking about it. It's not a thing that is going to happen. Nothing above 40 bones is going to happen. Hell even 40 might be too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YF-23 View Post
    Yes but that price is so beyond outlandish that there's really no point talking about it. It's not a thing that is going to happen. Nothing above 40 bones is going to happen. Hell even 40 might be too much.
    Which is kind of the point. MMtG being released in the future is now a thing that is so outlandish it's just not going to happen.
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