It might let us judge the game better, but it would not tell us if it is releasable or not.Originally Posted by DrZoidberg
It might let us judge the game better, but it would not tell us if it is releasable or not.
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I thought the two hated each others' guts.
Precisely, Paradox already made that decision based on their own criteria (whether you agree with them or not). Still, a theoretical livestream would be one of life's little pleasures in the wake of all this. I still take solace in the fact that eventually copyrights expire or have too little value (i.e. Red Alert 1), though. Not like we'll be seeing any GS game with this scope and feel any time in the future, nor any other strategy games. If you've read the RPS on RTWII you'll come to know they are openly admitting that they're giving their new games less depth instead of more, rather having focus on looks and streamlined gameplay for mass consumption. But that's the "name of the game".
Yeah, totally this. You didn't need to "install" it at all. And, to be clear, the game "worked," - i.e. it ran and everything. It's just that, while it was running, it was incredibly slow, buggy, crashy, and not fun to play. Also, most major features and systems were at various states of completion (with very few coming close to "complete"). This was not an installation problem.
@at the CK2 critics
Honestly man, CK2 is a great game. That doesn't mean you will personally enjoy it. There are plenty of things I'm personally okay with but do not really enjoy. Your taste is -not- an absolute measure of quality.
I think Arbus wrote something about the beta-testing in the UV forum. He apparently said beta testers are supposed to have SVN access but that they didn't really get that involved in the end.
Paradox has already given us all the information that they believe important to the public. They're not interested in dragging Ubik's reputation through the mud, nor in spending more time on this than they already have. There's no significant reason to believe that Paradox is lying about their position, and if there's been some tragic mistake that saw Paradox only recieving broken release candidates, while that would be unfortunate, it is also something that should be handled quietly between the two of them.
Less than a hundred people really care about the actual dispute between Paradox and UV regarding the quality of the game - everyone else is taking one side or the other at their word (and the vast majority of those are taking Paradox at their word); why should Paradox spend any amount of time answering the concerns of less than a hundred people?
EDIT: And to the betas, thank you for fully disproving the installation theory.
EDIT2: Hey, didn't Ubik say he had two more people come down to do AARs? It's been a week or so now; whatever happened to those?
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Dear god that thread... I started writing one of my posts on one page and it posted two pages later. All of the sillyness gave me a headache as well.
Anyway, I think this thread no longer has a reason to exist. The game is dead, Paradox has said why, and betas testers and members of UV have responded. The discussion is effectively over. If Paradox wants to take this game, fix it up, remove some of the more unworkable elements, and release it so Paradox actually gets some return on it's investment (I'd like this, I was looking forward to the game), we'll hear about it. Otherwise this game is very,very dead and it's going to stay that way no matter what happens.
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I did play EU3 on release. Your icons on the othere hand indicates you started from EU3 Complete. Even if you did have the base game, I stand by what I said about nostalgia.
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It is not for us to decide whether the game is releasable. Surely why you've seen in this thread has shown you this? I'm sure some companies dream of the day someone will buy a broken game for $300, but it is not good for the gamer community.
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Ok, i tell you the story why my icon is EUIII complete, and not EU III the base game, NA, and IN.
I bought EU III, borrowed the CD 6 months later to one of my friends, and never got it back, some time later, when EU III complete came out, i bought it.
And its not pure nostalgia.
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Just following this game for awhile, and of course the whole drama surrounding its cancellation (yes I have rather too much time on my hands!) I thought I might finally post on the issue.
It seems to me the general state of MMtG is irrelevant. By all reasonable accounts it has game play issues, I think that is very hard to deny, how severe these are is of course subjective, but there is another issue. The original cancellation notice pointed out "lack of trust" and "internal strife". Now the lack of trust, or perhaps now the break down of a developer/publisher relationship entirely is I think at least indisputable by any reasonable person. It doesn't have to be entirely Paradox no longer trusting UV, as in a post on their own forum when questioned on the issue Ubik replied (and I can't find the post so this is memory) with the suggestion that it wasn't them who had lost trust with him, then a wink. This of course most of us who have been following this probably know.
The second issue was "internal strife". Well You just have to look at the joint statement thread and the UV forums to see the gap that has now opened up there. With that in mind I'm not sure how if the game was released it could be patched if a chunk of the team has now left.
I'd also suggest that the earlier hope that this game might be developed by Paradox directly, or by a new team, again something that was hinted at in the original cancellation announcement has now perhaps entirely gone. With legal action apparently going to take place I can't see anyone being able to release the game until its all been resolved, and as with all games, this still has a fairly limited shelf life. Ok there are a number of people here who would happily buy the game regardless of age, and condition it would appear, but this game is already running out of time for it to have any large commercial success, and any legal action will take years in all likely hood.
I had a passing interest in MMtG, I followed it because it looked interesting, I'd have brought it because of what it was. I doubt it would have ever been my favourite game, and I'd maybe have played it for a month or two, then maybe left it. I'm not a fanatic worshipping at the alter of either dev or publisher, so I won't be sacrificing any virgins in either's name. To start with (when the game was cancelled) I was happy to give both sides the benefit of the doubt, after all progress is somewhat subjective, and I can't see how anyone can argue that someone else hasn't lost trust in them if that person has said they have. So far from UV there have been various bits of finger pointing, a number of well placed winks, and a rather large amount of innuendo. There have been the various watch this spaces, coming soons and wait and sees with nothing that really follows. Sadly I think this game has gone from being on life support with a glimmer of hope it might somehow survive, to having its deceased head banged on a pet shop counter by John Cleese, insisting it really isn't dead and its just sleeping.
All the more of a reason to do it!
If I don't remeber uncorrectly, prior to this drama somebody asked the developers about a possible live stream, and Ubik strongly rejected the proposal (you can try asking on the UV forums and see what he replies now, though).
At the same time, I don't think that Paradox feels obliged to do anything like that, as a producer is free to do what she wants with her own products. After all, I doubt there would be any possible reasons for a publisher to cancel a good project (unless you want to consider extremely wild and unlikely conspiracy theories...)
Yes, and his legal team are also due to be making a statement about three weeks ago.
I'd doubt it, since it's fairly obvious that Ubik doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. Despite his investors apparent willingness to stump up the (enormous) cost of a legal case for several years, he hasn't a hope in hell of actuall winning, and seems to be relying entirely upon the idea that the game is releaseable - which near enough everyone else who's seen it says it isn't, and which Paradox almost certainly have the contractual final say in. Any lawyer who advises him to go ahead with legal action should be shot.
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Sadly with the law, not having a leg to stand on, nor ability to win have anything to do with the time it takes to resolve. Even what would appear to be a none case like this can take some time to resolve. I was also thinking of Paradox's own apparent legal action regarding what I assume is UV's unfulfilled contractual obligations as UV appear unwilling to return the money Paradox invested, nor the source code and what not. Really all Ubik needs to do is drag his feet, from personal experience the law is based largely on voluntary compliance, even with a court order say he can still delay. I'm not saying I agree with him or anything, nor that I would want the game never to be released, I'm really just saying.
True maybe they could claim that it is a vexatious lawsuit or some kind of equivilient other than something of that nature this will take some time.
I doubt the saga is completely over yet, and you're perfectly entitled to assume this thread no longer exists, buried as it is in the forum.
Just chippin in to say:
EU3 complicated ?
Totally, if you consider this complicated:
(0.) get morale upgrade
1. put small stack on defensible terrain and big stack in province behind.
2. wait for AI attack (will come).
3. move in big stack and defeat AI.
4. pause game and follow the defeated army (repeat this step if necessary)
5. no ??? needed.
6. world conquest.
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