"So let me get this straight, you want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane"
@at the CK2 critics
Honestly man, CK2 is a great game. That doesn't mean you will personally enjoy it. There are plenty of things I'm personally okay with but do not really enjoy. Your taste is -not- an absolute measure of quality.
Less than a hundred people really care about the actual dispute between Paradox and UV regarding the quality of the game - everyone else is taking one side or the other at their word (and the vast majority of those are taking Paradox at their word); why should Paradox spend any amount of time answering the concerns of less than a hundred people?
EDIT: And to the betas, thank you for fully disproving the installation theory .
EDIT2: Hey, didn't Ubik say he had two more people come down to do AARs? It's been a week or so now; whatever happened to those?
Last edited by Mallorie; 07-07-2012 at 06:43.
Anyway, I think this thread no longer has a reason to exist. The game is dead, Paradox has said why, and betas testers and members of UV have responded. The discussion is effectively over. If Paradox wants to take this game, fix it up, remove some of the more unworkable elements, and release it so Paradox actually gets some return on it's investment (I'd like this, I was looking forward to the game), we'll hear about it. Otherwise this game is very,very dead and it's going to stay that way no matter what happens.
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I bought EU III, borrowed the CD 6 months later to one of my friends, and never got it back, some time later, when EU III complete came out, i bought it.
And its not pure nostalgia.
Account abonanded for now, we´ll see to what some things lead ...
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Just following this game for awhile, and of course the whole drama surrounding its cancellation (yes I have rather too much time on my hands!) I thought I might finally post on the issue.
It seems to me the general state of MMtG is irrelevant. By all reasonable accounts it has game play issues, I think that is very hard to deny, how severe these are is of course subjective, but there is another issue. The original cancellation notice pointed out "lack of trust" and "internal strife". Now the lack of trust, or perhaps now the break down of a developer/publisher relationship entirely is I think at least indisputable by any reasonable person. It doesn't have to be entirely Paradox no longer trusting UV, as in a post on their own forum when questioned on the issue Ubik replied (and I can't find the post so this is memory) with the suggestion that it wasn't them who had lost trust with him, then a wink. This of course most of us who have been following this probably know.
The second issue was "internal strife". Well You just have to look at the joint statement thread and the UV forums to see the gap that has now opened up there. With that in mind I'm not sure how if the game was released it could be patched if a chunk of the team has now left.
I'd also suggest that the earlier hope that this game might be developed by Paradox directly, or by a new team, again something that was hinted at in the original cancellation announcement has now perhaps entirely gone. With legal action apparently going to take place I can't see anyone being able to release the game until its all been resolved, and as with all games, this still has a fairly limited shelf life. Ok there are a number of people here who would happily buy the game regardless of age, and condition it would appear, but this game is already running out of time for it to have any large commercial success, and any legal action will take years in all likely hood.
I had a passing interest in MMtG, I followed it because it looked interesting, I'd have brought it because of what it was. I doubt it would have ever been my favourite game, and I'd maybe have played it for a month or two, then maybe left it. I'm not a fanatic worshipping at the alter of either dev or publisher, so I won't be sacrificing any virgins in either's name. To start with (when the game was cancelled) I was happy to give both sides the benefit of the doubt, after all progress is somewhat subjective, and I can't see how anyone can argue that someone else hasn't lost trust in them if that person has said they have. So far from UV there have been various bits of finger pointing, a number of well placed winks, and a rather large amount of innuendo. There have been the various watch this spaces, coming soons and wait and sees with nothing that really follows. Sadly I think this game has gone from being on life support with a glimmer of hope it might somehow survive, to having its deceased head banged on a pet shop counter by John Cleese, insisting it really isn't dead and its just sleeping.
At the same time, I don't think that Paradox feels obliged to do anything like that, as a producer is free to do what she wants with her own products. After all, I doubt there would be any possible reasons for a publisher to cancel a good project (unless you want to consider extremely wild and unlikely conspiracy theories...)
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Just chippin in to say:
EU3 complicated ?
Totally, if you consider this complicated:
(0.) get morale upgrade
1. put small stack on defensible terrain and big stack in province behind.
2. wait for AI attack (will come).
3. move in big stack and defeat AI.
4. pause game and follow the defeated army (repeat this step if necessary)
5. no ??? needed.
6. world conquest.