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    Hello! my name is Ottoman Empire!

    And im happy to announce that i get free cores on the entire southern hemisphere! Why you ask? well because its historical ! That's why! It's historical that people with an other religion than me embrace me and love me.

    ok i really hate this part of the game, OE getting free cores all over the place starting war of reconquest on Ragusa Hungary and the like. Hope its not going to be in Magna mundi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijzervuist View Post
    Hello! my name is Ottoman Empire!

    And im happy to announce that i get free cores on the entire southern hemisphere! Why you ask? well because its historical ! That's why! It's historical that people with an other religion than me embrace me and love me.

    ok i really hate this part of the game, OE getting free cores all over the place starting war of reconquest on Ragusa Hungary and the like. Hope its not going to be in Magna mundi.
    Hope so to,imma be playing as morea and this would kill me!!!!

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    I would just like to say that it probably isnt the case HOWEVER

    can I remind everyone there are 3 kind of cores in this game. so that might change things up if they do have cores.

    Cores are as follows:
    No Core -> Peripheral -> Central -> Integral
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    ok that's reassuring. It really ruins the game for me sometimes.

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    Yep well I doubt the MM team would do this. not sure though. Playing the MM mod should give you some hints
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    My dear sir. You are obviously deeply misinformed. Let me clarifie the Ottoman cores for you.

    In MMtM in 1453 the Ottoman empire starts with cores on Bulgaria, Anatolia, Albania and Greece (most of it owned by them). These cores are quite reasonable and should belong to the OE.

    The other cores in balkans and Hungary are special case. Long before Httt the team stood againts challenge: how to ensue plausible expansion of the big evil turk? The reason was to add TEMPORAL cores on neighbor nations. Why so? Bcs of the ai! Player do not recieves these cores. Ai however gets not only the cb but also the intention to go for it cores. When it obtaines them these cores are REMOVED.

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    never knew that thanks for the info

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    thanks for the info Arizael. I was actual making assumptions so I was not sure of what it really was. Just didn't seem right for them to get so much cores on non religion non culture places.

    Perphiral cores are alright as they will be way hard to make integral if they are not the same culture and/or religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arizael View Post
    My dear sir. You are obviously deeply misinformed. Let me clarifie the Ottoman cores for you.

    In MMtM in 1453 the Ottoman empire starts with cores on Bulgaria, Anatolia, Albania and Greece (most of it owned by them). These cores are quite reasonable and should belong to the OE.

    The other cores in balkans and Hungary are special case. Long before Httt the team stood againts challenge: how to ensue plausible expansion of the big evil turk? The reason was to add TEMPORAL cores on neighbor nations. Why so? Bcs of the ai! Player do not recieves these cores. Ai however gets not only the cb but also the intention to go for it cores. When it obtaines them these cores are REMOVED.
    It really doesnt make sense for them to have cores in greece and the balkans,i would even mention constantinopel but it is the capital so... the point is that they are recently conquered lands.oh well

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    i believe the Infidel sultan claimed himself to be the Roman emperor so it would give him claims to these lands, however i can't believe the peoples of those lands actually like this. Neither do i see nationalist, only Ottoman revolutionaries. Like yeah right..

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    There was a huge thread on this - http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?600210

    One of the answers was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zolotaya View Post
    Now to address the possibilities of the OE both under the player and the AI.

    My playtesting (starting with the 1453 campaign date) has shown the following:

    For the player, the Ottoman Empire is a challenge to accomplish what was done historically. All of the historical gains, with the exception of the Crimea/Black Sea tutelage and perhaps the Persian excursions should be attainable although it is highly doubtful it can be done within the same timeframe as done historically. The main reason this is the case is that the mechanics and systems are not yet developed and deployed. Once everything in my vision has been developed and deployed, I see a super-nova expansion and burn-out as possible and plausible. The Crimea experience will also be influenced by the current Tribal mechanics as deployed by Jun; this presents additional difficulty for the player in achieving the pinnacle of success as shown in your cited maps.

    For the AI, the Ottoman Empire has a core emphasis on expanding and holding the core that stayed under Ottoman rule for the majority of the game's time-frame. For those familiar with the mod, there should be better penetration of the Balkans then before, with a more stable presence established in the Southern "Hungarian" lands (as they begin the 1453 campaign). Egypt has always been a focus and will remain so. North Africa results have been mixed so far - I have not delved much here yet to provide insight or analysis yet. Persia is both a tantalizing fruit, low to the ground for easy picking, and a potential quagmire, ready to drain the armies of the Sultan of their blood in the sands of the Iranian deserts. The AI for the most part, plays conservative on the eastern borders and so the behavior has been quite plausible.

    I hope this helps and answers questions you and others have.
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    So, hi to the really few guys who check this forum sometimes,
    first, i know that i´ll sound like some complete fanboy, which i´m not. I´m very satisfied with the announcment of EU IV, but the historical accuracy of MM, would´ve been just awesome
    second, i´m sure that "some" admin will delete that fast, but who cars.
    i still have to ask around if anybody has heard why the UVforums are down. i lost nearly all my hope for an release, but as long the UVforums were up, atleast one spark of hope remained.

    P.S: I´m using this thread because it is one of the very less threads, which is still open.
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    Before you posted I didn't see any threads open, but I saw the UV forums were down too. Maybe PM Ubik?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flame7926 View Post
    Before you posted I didn't see any threads open, but I saw the UV forums were down too. Maybe PM Ubik?
    he´s not on since 2 months, and i don´t think that he will return soon.
    And, i just checked the normal website, it´s down too.
    it looks now, that he capitulated quietly.
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    He has certainly not been gone from the net for two months, I saw him writing stuff in the UV forums only some days ago. Although it's strange that the UV forums are down, and no reason whatsoever (as far as I am aware) has been given.
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    I meant he is gone here, and becuase the UV forums are down, i can´t contact him.
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    I see. I thought, since you said he had "captitulated quietly", that you meant he had not said anything anywhere for two months. My mistake.
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    No, i meant, that he just closed the UV forums now, without an big discussion about it.
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    That is indeed strange
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    Yes, it is, i hoped that he would atleast make some announcment in the UVForum before shutting it down and giving up.
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