Underground Resistance?

Yes I would like to see it have more playable options.
I do see that it would be difficult to implement a really strong underground as the computer AI could spam you badly.

The only true success I had was as GER when GBR invaded JAP. I spawned 4 UG and left them on spread. When I came back I had about 12 on the two south islands. I changed them all to Spawn Partisans and they stayed alive about 3 weeks, with a couple hiding in a corner for months.

I would suggest allowing the strength of a base to grow beyond 1.0 to 5.0 on a jigsaw scale. That is one base alone can only grow to 1.0 but a group of four or five in close proximity could allow the middle base to grow to 2.0, the more jigsaw pieces you fit together the higher the base can grow. Kind of similar to how suppression works better if units are closer together.
Let 2.0 to 4.0 level bases do sabotage and level 5.0 bases spawn something better than Partisans, inf or mtn or mar troops depending on terrain. A 5.0 level base would be very organised and model high levels of external support.

The higher the level the more likely it would be to be detected too.

Qymaen said:

one thing I found lacking is the effectiveness of UR...In my South Africa game I was spamming UR cells in southern and southwestern France. I also had a few cells in northern France, the Netherlands, and Greece. I had also spawned one in Tunis

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Seems already quite powerfull if a minor power as South Africa can generate UR in 3 countries + North Africa !

They have a big intelligence service plus the means to supply with planes these UR in guns, ammunitions, radios, food, drugs...

UR where created to add flavour, to give a role to GIE and to force players to keep some forces, garrisons and police in occupied countries. Not to be a second front that plays a major role in the fighting. Resistance networks made sabotage and gathered information, each time they confronted regular military forces they where quickly wiped out with big losses (with the exception of some big formations of partisans in USSR who were quasi-military).

So they should not be more powerfull (in fact they made them more costly and longer to develop in the first patch of FTM to balance the game), but yes they could play a role in sabotage and intelligence. The next expansion Finest Hour is supposed to add some spying options, including covert operations. There was a screenshot with that new category and "covert ops points" you can accumulate in some way. So there may be a way to give this ability to UR, or that having many UR can give a bonus to these covert ops points.

You can maybe add a suggestion about something like that in the thread Wishes for HOI3-Their Finest Hour-thread started by Chromos.

how useful are partisans and general uprisings btw?

also, i forget, is it possible if youre a GiE to retain some of your regular troops if they escape destruction (ie: polish units that flee to britain)

PanzerMan7 said:

is it possible if youre a GiE to retain some of your regular troops if they escape destruction (ie: polish units that flee to britain)

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I have certainly had to sink GiE ships years after they went GiE.

I brought this up somewhere else but partizans should not move or move REALLY slow. They
are tied into very local communities and although folks will say they fight like regular units they
are and should not be considered a really credible ground force but a force designed to disrupt
supply and force units to confront them. They should be able to attack into the next province
but never move all over on their own as in reality there would be police and other units at a scale
not used in this game.

plasticpanzers said:

I brought this up somewhere else but partizans should not move or move REALLY slow. They
are tied into very local communities and although folks will say they fight like regular units they
are and should not be considered a really credible ground force but a force designed to disrupt
supply and force units to confront them. They should be able to attack into the next province
but never move all over on their own as in reality there would be police and other units at a scale
not used in this game.

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So make them easier to build but with much less fighting capabilities and very slow?
To simulate the local focus of them?

Cheers,
Chromos

i thought partisan units are more representative of yugoslav units, which were organized into regiments and had chains of command and fought somewhat conventually

erm, in other words

red dawn bands would be more akin to the base revolt risk

cells would be more akin to those in france where they mostly stayed underground but had organized networks

spawned militia would be like yugoslav units that fought conventionally

PanzerMan7 said:

erm, in other words

red dawn bands would be more akin to the base revolt risk

cells would be more akin to those in france where they mostly stayed underground but had organized networks

spawned militia would be like yugoslav units that fought conventionally

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Yes, like Warsaw uprising later in the war.
But as it is now, it is maybe to easy to support such a Warsaw uprising like behaviour.
Thats why I suggested to nerv them more in the dircetion of "normal partisan activity"/revolt risk.
Afaik even in Yougoslavia the Partisans fought a Guerilla Warfare and did not seek conventional warfare->Battles..

So the only need fo that feature would be some uprising like in Warsaw later in the war.

I would like to see an overhaul where the funding of Partisans just raises the Partisan activity wich could be fought with units that have high suppression values.
Or even abstract it like the convoy system.

And a special option like Wrasaw uprising would need a certain "partisan acticvity lvl" until real counters would pop up on the map.(Like now but harder to achive.)
Funding of Commandos would help the effectiveness of such partisans and gain intelligence(map info etc.) and allow of targeting important facilities.
So you would be able to build/fund cells and where such cell is located the "normal/usual partisan activity" raises and you would have possibilities to do missions on buildings/ressources or even units stationed(attrition lvl of such prov would be higher with high partisan activity) there or move by.

Cheers,
Chromos

i just did some poland 39 resistancing and i dont think its OP. if the area is garrisoned, the garrison troops will easily crush any revolt or hold it off until regular troops can. a proper garrison force wont allow UR spam anyway. the problem is the ai. also, its not like partisan forces couldnt always rise up and rebel, its just they knew if they did, theyd be crushed and lose all their hard earned work plus a lot of manpower. this is the case in hoi 3

Maybe add a rule that you cannot put an UR until 6 months/1 year after the conquest of a province. In many places resistance began slowly because under occupation it is not easy to gather people and material keeping all of it secret.

unlike the actual Yugoslavian partizans most rebellion forces are local raised and once you start
to move around you need to draw supplies just like a combat unit which is very hard for a small
unconvential unit with no major combat capacity. These are to deny rail access and supply for
frontline units or in very rare cases like Paris raise up and take on regulars. I think that strong
units would appear near friendly units while weaker ones would appear further 'incountry'