Negative Westernisation Events

[Tommy4ever]

I Westernised as Poland about 7 or 8 years ago, but I'm still getting these extremely damaging 'resistance to westernisation' events. When do I stop getting them? Every time I have chosen to ignore the demands.

I'm not sure if I can take many more shifts towards decentralisation. :/

[Lord Finnish]

Modernize your army as well.

[Tommy4ever]

Modernize your army as well.

How do I do that?

[marat271]

How do I do that?

The same way you westernised, it's an event, you need full centralization, and 3 stability, you'll take a 6 stab hit though :S

[Junuxx]

Every time I have chosen to ignore the demands.

Why?

Don't complain about "extremely damaging" events if you chose for those effects instead of -2 prestige yourself.

[Ashantai]

I had exactly the same problem yesterday. I kept ignoring the demands because I thought it would help me like happens if you're in the Reformation with those events.

In the end I got so annoyed that I just went and save edited it out after getting 2 +2 decentralisation events within a week. It was impossible to do the military decision then for 40 years. I wasn't having that nonsense.

[Tommy4ever]

Why?

Don't complain about "extremely damaging" events if you chose for those effects instead of -2 prestige yourself.

I assumed it would give me short term damage and let me finish the process quicker in the longterm.

[Von Hilficker]

Actually you may be better off simply agreeing to the first resist westernization event. You get a ten year period where you cannot modernize the military but can recover stability without any westernization related stab hits, centralization hits, revolts etc. When the resist western influences flag wears off you are hopefully in a position to reform the military immediately.

[Panopticon]

I assumed it would give me short term damage and let me finish the process quicker in the longterm.

You need centralization, how could a decentralization hit be a short term damage?

[Iwanow]

Actually you may be better off simply agreeing to the first resist westernization event. You get a ten year period where you cannot modernize the military but can recover stability without any westernization related stab hits, centralization hits, revolts etc. When the resist western influences flag wears off you are hopefully in a position to reform the military immediately.

This is simply most important thing here to be sad. Resisiting westernization decreases revolt risk by 2, so it is very good thing to do it until you modernize military.

[Ashantai]

He didn't realise, and nor did I, that they only stop with military modernisation. Nowhere is it stated in the game that this is the ONLY way. In all other event chains such as peasant wars, religious strife etc, the goal is to get to +3 stability and wait for an event to disable the harmful, damaging modifier.

In this case, I didn't want to modernise my military right away since it was 1520 and my Byzantine units were still better than the medieval latin ones for a while. But I had to go and read the wiki and the forums to work out that you need military modernisation to remove the malus. It's not actually said anywhere, and that's because the military decision is a later bolt on.

Now, when you look at military modernisation it says 'Western Influences is removed', but that doesn't mean it couldn't be removed from other means. What the events and the game needs is clarity here!

[simon chatfield]

when you modernise your military, you keep the eastern unit types until you change them individually, so you can have eastern cavalry and latin infantry at the same time.

[Ashantai]

I know this now, yes...but I didn't then either. So I was holding off because I thought it would force me to change.

[chals]

ITS SO wrong that the byzz are not in latin..

[Pacius Ferox]

ITS SO wrong that the byzz are not in latin..

Noo... Wrong is that the Lats aren't in the Byz. Hellenismos...

[ve3609]

ITS SO wrong that the byzz are not in latin..

its so wrong to call them " the byzz"

[lukew]

Noo... Wrong is that the Lats aren't in the Byz. Hellenismos...

The Byzantines were incredibly backwards during the game's timespan.

[Iwanow]

ITS SO wrong that the byzz are not in latin..

Byzantium should start with ottoman tech group.

[Ashantai]

I think Eastern is fine, since you can use Ottoman units if you want in captured provinces.

[Iwanow]

I think Eastern is fine, since you can use Ottoman units if you want in captured provinces.

Well, byzzantines used simmiliar units that turkish did - kataphrakts. and they should also start little ahead in tech, so making them ottoman tech group would be good.