I just wanted to give a shout out to the developers for not abandoning the game in spite of the shaky release. I bought the game at $50 when it first came out and considering the volume of support I don't regret the purchase at all. Once again Kerberos proves that it never gives up on its fans or its projects.
I do hope that you will go on to produce more games, possibly even SOTS II expansion packs after the game has had the finishing touches put on and the last few bugs ironed out.
People have forgotten what the word rebellion means. It is not difficult to be selfish and uncaring within a selfish and uncaring world... The man who cares for no-one except himself is a slave and not a rebel. It takes a true rebel to rise above the darker side of human nature and to sacrifice the self for the other. There is no greater rebellion than the sacrifice of the self for the good of others.
I concur !
Although there is still a lot to do to fix all the issues, the flow of patches and fixes is something that I have not seen for any other game (maybe its because due to the huge amount of them :P ). Still, if this game fixes its: crashes, lag, UI design, AI (some say that some AI routines cause lag between turns), then this is one hell of a great space RTS game.
...Creepy is when you enter a system with 30 gas giants o_O
Support has not been amazing... Some of us paid full price for a game which is still not finished half a year after the release date. I do not call it impressive support. They took money from people while knowing perfectly they were not selling the product advertised. Furthermore, the attitude of the devs on Kerberos forum is not acceptable and heavily unprofessional. I have been really disappointed by the way everything has been handled and I do hope that Paradox won't associate with those people in the future.Originally Posted by The_13th_Ronin
I just wanted to give a shout out to the developers for not abandoning the game in spite of the shaky release. I bought the game at $50 when it first came out and considering the volume of support I don't regret the purchase at all. Once again Kerberos proves that it never gives up on its fans or its projects
I do hope that you will go on to produce more games, possibly even SOTS II expansion packs after the game has had the finishing touches put on and the last few bugs ironed out.
I must admit, I really LOVED SotS, which is why I had preordered SotS II.
That SotS II turned out to be such a... mess... upon release was quite unfortunate, as it was the second time I got "burned" for pre-ordering a games (first game was Elemental: War of Magic).
Still, for both games the developers continue to work to unearth the gem hidden within, with Stardock (Devs of Elemental) even giving out the Sequel (Fallen Enchantress - in which they try to fix all that went wrong in the first one) to their early buyers for free.
As for SotS II I find it very good that the Devs (and the investors) continue to support the game, and I think it will be eventually a very good game like SotS I.
Still, I won't pre-order games for a while, sorry guys.
Let's face it, if they finally finish this baby, it is going to be one totally awesome game. No doubt about that.
Man, what im surprised at right now is they did not go bankrupt over this mess. Call me when its up to standards of a retail product. Meanwhile im off to play Diablo 3 while I wait.
The only question is when will that happen. I keep checking back every month or so, but I am still waiting ^_^
Oh well, $50 was not that big of a deal to spend.
Only weapons bring freedom.
Consider, that it should be us, who should get 50 bucks for betatesting, it's now 100...
Hiver for lyfe.
Patching the game to fix bugs that should never have been there in the first place is not supporting the game. Making an unplayable game sold and bought at full price playable is not supporting the game.
I'm sorry, but it's not.
I'm not hating on SotS2, I'm just telling the truth. I am patiently waiting for the game to be feature complete and bug free (or as bug free as any game is post launch), and I do not complain even though I was technically swindled. I did not demand my money back, because I believe in this game. But kerberos are not "supporting" the game. They are completing it.
I'll forgive them if they make the first expansion pack free for anyone that bought it in 2011. Cause lets face it right now the game still feels like a beta. They probably only stick with it because of the hope that a fixed game will sell the first expansion pack. My guess is it will be around that time that the game is fixed up enough to be worth playing.
Just checking this board to see if the game is playable now and i saw this thread. So a guy is impressed by the "support" after paying 50 bucks 6 months ago for a game that still isn't finished? They must be marketing to the right sort of people...
many other would have just sait sorry it was a failure and kill the project or make a new stand alone game with full price that is working.
That said kerberos is doing what i expedted from them sots 1 was not so good at the start either but after few patches and dlcs its one of the best games out there.
After this failure, their publisher probably want them to fix it (meaning they are supposed to support the game until xxx) and refuse to let them publish an add-on until their game is decent. It would make sense and explain why they are still supporting this failure even if it is nearly 7 months that the game is out (and the game does not look like it will be finished soon. I read about next month all clear since November, so I will believe it when everything won't be half broken).
But are you sure this ain't going to happen? From what i've been reading in these boards the game still isn't at gold stage. I kinda fear that cash is going to become a problem and they'll invent an expansion to do exactly what you're saying they aren't doing. Plus SOTS prime was a first game from a new developer and people supported and understood the problems with. But SOTS prime was never as bad as SOTS 2 at release. If it was like this 8 months into release (it was actually longer than i first calculated) it probably would never take off. SOTS 1 was working after a few patches with a few obscure bugs and was immensely fun. The expansions added content, they were not glorified patches. Plus there was no DLCs for it. Most of the work was done before that exploitative business model was "invented" to milk the gamer for features that should be in the game in the first place.
There is also that I don't think many would buy an expansion should what you say really happen. The negative backwash of such a decision by Kerberos would kill any last shred of good-will left...
Also the game is now 8 months in development after release, and still not anywhere near gold. What this really means is that the game was released a whole year too early. And you can't tell me nobody involved noticed this, or knew this. Certainly Paradox was *well* aware of this because as Publisher they had dev-access to the steam build weeks before we had it. That means Paradox knew the Steam build was broken when it released. And this is also why I just scoff at any "we are sorry" posts from either side. Both sides knew the state the game was in when it released, and while we got the "DLC" for "free" we also paid full price for a game that could be had now for 7$...
Anyway, based on that.. What they do now is not support but defacto game development. "Support" is fixing bugs and certainly not finishing a game.
Also just for the record, It's amazing how many people can't count.
Today is the 24th June 2012
The game released 30th Oct 2011
So it's 8 months not "nearly 7" and not "6" ^^
in 6 days its actually more than 8 months (namely 8 months and 1 day ;p^^
Looked on a website, they said published mid-November, but I do agree. Regarding Paradox I think they did very basic testing like the game do not crash etc. They changed their policy after this disaster and already cancelled a game which was supposed to be published this month. I really think they did not know the game was that bad and it is probably as much a problem as bad faith.There is also that I don't think many would buy an expansion should what you say really happen. The negative backwash of such a decision by Kerberos would kill any last shred of good-will left...
Also the game is now 8 months in development after release, and still not anywhere near gold. What this really means is that the game was released a whole year too early. And you can't tell me nobody involved noticed this, or knew this. Certainly Paradox was *well* aware of this because as Publisher they had dev-access to the steam build weeks before we had it. That means Paradox knew the Steam build was broken when it released. And this is also why I just scoff at any "we are sorry" posts from either side. Both sides knew the state the game was in when it released, and while we got the "DLC" for "free" we also paid full price for a game that could be had now for 7$...
Anyway, based on that.. What they do now is not support but defacto game development. "Support" is fixing bugs and certainly not finishing a game.
Also just for the record, It's amazing how many people can't count.
Today is the 24th June 2012
The game released 30th Oct 2011
So it's 8 months not "nearly 7" and not "6" ^^
in 6 days its actually more than 8 months (namely 8 months and 1 day ;p
You my friend, are either misleading or don't have a clue what you are talking about, because the game is very much near gold levels... Now it might be that you don't like it and that is a different story and of course you are entitled to your opinions but trying to claim that the game is "nowhere near gold" when it's actually is, is BS.
And before you start saying that having weird bugs or crashes mean that the game isn't anywhere near gold I just want to
Lint out that when BF3 first came out not only there were tons of wired graphical and UI bugs, some folks (me included) couldn't finish a freaking match for more than a month before gating a CTD and that's a AAA studio making a AAA game.
I'll freely admit that the game need a lot of polish (fonts, tooltips etc) but all the major and most of the minor systems are in and working and the number of CTDs is extremely low (I encountered one on the previouse patch).
So please, don't try to get into a thread and start suggesting that the game is a pile of sh!t 8 months after release, that's just being disingenuous.
Warder
Wha... I don't even...
Gold means all features and content are in yet Scenarios are still not in. like literally 0 scenarios are in.
That has nothing to do with polish. That is a base feature* of the game still missing entirely. And I never said the game is a pile of sh!t. I said it is not gold. And it isn't. Thats a fact, not opinion. Unless you consider the physical lack of scenarios an opinion. In which case.. well thats for you to deal with ,p
*Scenarios need scripted AI
Also maybe I should mention that I bought this game because of the FUD they spread in previews that there will be a proper story and campaign IN THE GAME. In the end, all we got is a skirmish simulator in a fixed setting that doesn't even have random maps. So If I could, knowing this now, I would actually want my money back. Yet I can't. So excuse me while I consider the thing I wait for to be the large issue that is still not fixed
Relevant read
PlaySF - Explore And Expand, Or Exploit And Expire
http://www.blog.playscifi.com/explor...it-and-expire/
I promise I wont rant further. I am just really disillusioned lately with this game. The patches don't add anything of importance. They only fix things, that's not bad, but I want scenarios and they are nowhere to be seen. I do not play 4x for skirmish. I want a living galaxy with proper diplomacy.
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actually when it is said that a game has gone gold, it means nothing more than that the release version has been sent to the manufacturers. mainly because the master discs used for duplication are often gold.
Well but you can leave me to my delusion that developers of games actually only ship em to steam/retailers/manufacturers when it is actually complete. Not perfect, not 100% polished, but at least complete.
I mean, if we assume that some developers actually care and love making games, that is not so absurd to believe, is it? I know when we go by pedantic interpretations the game *was* gold 30th Oct 2011
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