What i always wanted to see in Vic2 is additions to the industyr-side, besides the changes to the military system someone mentioned earlier like partial mobilization, reserve-divisions and so on. Really liked those!
I think the factory-system along with Planned economy and Laizzes-faire needs a little twist. If i get the hang of the system correctly, If i build a factory with the states money i "give" the factory to the Capitalists and then get the profits from the factory back trough taxing the workers (poor tax), the clerks (middle tax) and the factory owners (rich tax). I came up with something i would like:
I, as the state, build the factory and then owns it and runs it without interference or ownership by Capitalists. The pay for materials and wages to the workers and clerks comes directly from the state treasury and all revenue get straight back to the treasury (except workers wages of course), totally exckluding capitalists from usin that particular factory. As the state runs the company and everything around it, i should be able to set the peiorities and subsidies like the present system if i wish, except that the factory will constantly be under subsidies as all pay and materials come from the state. This means that this particular factory will benefit from tariff-free imports as the tariff only applies to POPs (e.g Capitalists buy the resources). If i don't want the factory anymore i could privatize it by putting it up for sale, it would then turn up in the "Projects" tab where the capitalists can try to invest in the sum i want for it, i could be able to set the prize i want for it and see if any investors (capitalist POPs) are interested in buying it.
This should also work in the opposite direction. If the country is ruled by a party that has LF, State capitalism or Interventionism as the agenda the Capitalists will be able to build factories for themselves like the present system where the profits are taxed and so on, the twist here is that if a capitalist owns the factory the state can't set priorities for it or choose to subside the factory, creating a market where sometimes the state and the capitalists race eachother for the best spots and the ability to hire the most workers etc, much like a modern day mixed economy where state and private sector operates in the same country, often in the same sectors. If a factory owned by the Capitalists goes bankrupt or the POP doesn't want it anymore for some reason (bad profits, low access to craftsmen etc.) it will be put up for auction in the "Projects" tab where other capitalists can buy it by investing in it, the money going back to the "selling" capitalist POP, or perhaps with the state as the buyer, placing the factory under state control.
Okay, thats that about Interventionism and State Capitalism, how about Planned Economy and Laizzes-Faire?
This will get interesting. While both Interventionism and SC allow state and capitalist building, owning and running of industries side by side, LF and PE are two totally different worlds. If a Laizzes-Faire Government takes power by peaceful means, e.g Liberal party win the election, it will put up all the states factories for auction automatically and letting Capitalist POP's bid for them, perhaps on a reduced price basis the player can't control with the money that investors buy the factories from going back to the state, think of it like privatizations in the modern day for example.
If a LF-government comes to ruling trough revolution, e.g Anarcho-Liberals grabbing power, the factories will not be sold, they will be handed to Capitalist POP's for free without the player having the power to do anything about it! This means that a player that have invested heavily in industry for the state will dread the Anarcho-Liberals like the plague as a A-L revolution may spell total economic disaster for him. This would lower capitalist militancy greatly, as well as upsetting socialist POP's massively, possibly spawning a counter-revolution to take the industry back from the claws of the bourgeoisie?
Similarly, a transition to a planned economy by peaceful means, e.g Socialist party taking power (if the have PE as policy, that is, otherwise if they are SC, nothing happens), it means that all factories owned by Capitalist POP's may be bought by the state at greatly reduced price, upsetting Capitalist Liberals a bit and making socialists a bit more happy. However, if the red rain turns into a storm and a Communist revolution takes power, all factories are nationalized without any money going to the capitalists, giving the player (the state, that it) a ton of free companies! This will of course, make Capitalists extremely mad, spawning massive militancy among them likely starting a counter-revolution but this would likely make Socialist and Communist POP's very happy and lower their mil. To offset the risk of palyers abusing the system and getting communist rebellion just to get free companies, maintenance under state running should be higher and so on.
Ideological interventions should also be interesting. A Bourgeoisie Dictatorship Germany would instantly get some kind of ideological CB against a Communist Austria, for example, where the rich strata in Germany invades Austria to punish the communist rebels and restore the old order, perhaps also institute a BD in Austria? Similarly, a Communist France should get Casus Belli if, say, A-L revolution takes place in the UK, the Communist Franche would thereby intervene to save the workers from the teeth of the Bourgeoisie wolf, and restore a more pro-communist rule in the country? Capitalists were quite international in the day, having business connections all over Europe, they would not be happy to see their friends and business partners companies in other countries get nationalized by communist rebels and try to make their parent county intervene (unless if it's the mortal enemy country that suffers revolution...), likewise, the proletariat of the time would likely support an attack on a country that is having a successful A-L revolution to save their comrades from the capitalists.
To round it off:
L-F should have max 50% tax for poor and mid POP's, but maximum of like, 15 - 25% for rich strata. Planned economy should have minimum of 50% tax for low and mid, like today but min of 75% for rich strata i thinks, PE and L-F are at the very extremes of this scale, representing two very distinct ideologies which in one, the state should be kept to a very bare minimum and in the other, where the state is everything. The rich strata has every interest in L-F and should push for their own agenda more heavily and make heavy taxation of them illegal and state ownership and regulations impossible in such a system. Under Planned Economy, the rich strata has no place and should generally be vieved with disgust by the poor, who would do their utmost to take their treasures and factories and give it to the workers (managed by the state, in this case).
Please discuss what you think of this idea . Can elaborate further if anyone wants.
I think the factory-system along with Planned economy and Laizzes-faire needs a little twist. If i get the hang of the system correctly, If i build a factory with the states money i "give" the factory to the Capitalists and then get the profits from the factory back trough taxing the workers (poor tax), the clerks (middle tax) and the factory owners (rich tax). I came up with something i would like:
I, as the state, build the factory and then owns it and runs it without interference or ownership by Capitalists. The pay for materials and wages to the workers and clerks comes directly from the state treasury and all revenue get straight back to the treasury (except workers wages of course), totally exckluding capitalists from usin that particular factory. As the state runs the company and everything around it, i should be able to set the peiorities and subsidies like the present system if i wish, except that the factory will constantly be under subsidies as all pay and materials come from the state. This means that this particular factory will benefit from tariff-free imports as the tariff only applies to POPs (e.g Capitalists buy the resources). If i don't want the factory anymore i could privatize it by putting it up for sale, it would then turn up in the "Projects" tab where the capitalists can try to invest in the sum i want for it, i could be able to set the prize i want for it and see if any investors (capitalist POPs) are interested in buying it.
This should also work in the opposite direction. If the country is ruled by a party that has LF, State capitalism or Interventionism as the agenda the Capitalists will be able to build factories for themselves like the present system where the profits are taxed and so on, the twist here is that if a capitalist owns the factory the state can't set priorities for it or choose to subside the factory, creating a market where sometimes the state and the capitalists race eachother for the best spots and the ability to hire the most workers etc, much like a modern day mixed economy where state and private sector operates in the same country, often in the same sectors. If a factory owned by the Capitalists goes bankrupt or the POP doesn't want it anymore for some reason (bad profits, low access to craftsmen etc.) it will be put up for auction in the "Projects" tab where other capitalists can buy it by investing in it, the money going back to the "selling" capitalist POP, or perhaps with the state as the buyer, placing the factory under state control.
Okay, thats that about Interventionism and State Capitalism, how about Planned Economy and Laizzes-Faire?
This will get interesting. While both Interventionism and SC allow state and capitalist building, owning and running of industries side by side, LF and PE are two totally different worlds. If a Laizzes-Faire Government takes power by peaceful means, e.g Liberal party win the election, it will put up all the states factories for auction automatically and letting Capitalist POP's bid for them, perhaps on a reduced price basis the player can't control with the money that investors buy the factories from going back to the state, think of it like privatizations in the modern day for example.
If a LF-government comes to ruling trough revolution, e.g Anarcho-Liberals grabbing power, the factories will not be sold, they will be handed to Capitalist POP's for free without the player having the power to do anything about it! This means that a player that have invested heavily in industry for the state will dread the Anarcho-Liberals like the plague as a A-L revolution may spell total economic disaster for him. This would lower capitalist militancy greatly, as well as upsetting socialist POP's massively, possibly spawning a counter-revolution to take the industry back from the claws of the bourgeoisie?
Similarly, a transition to a planned economy by peaceful means, e.g Socialist party taking power (if the have PE as policy, that is, otherwise if they are SC, nothing happens), it means that all factories owned by Capitalist POP's may be bought by the state at greatly reduced price, upsetting Capitalist Liberals a bit and making socialists a bit more happy. However, if the red rain turns into a storm and a Communist revolution takes power, all factories are nationalized without any money going to the capitalists, giving the player (the state, that it) a ton of free companies! This will of course, make Capitalists extremely mad, spawning massive militancy among them likely starting a counter-revolution but this would likely make Socialist and Communist POP's very happy and lower their mil. To offset the risk of palyers abusing the system and getting communist rebellion just to get free companies, maintenance under state running should be higher and so on.
Ideological interventions should also be interesting. A Bourgeoisie Dictatorship Germany would instantly get some kind of ideological CB against a Communist Austria, for example, where the rich strata in Germany invades Austria to punish the communist rebels and restore the old order, perhaps also institute a BD in Austria? Similarly, a Communist France should get Casus Belli if, say, A-L revolution takes place in the UK, the Communist Franche would thereby intervene to save the workers from the teeth of the Bourgeoisie wolf, and restore a more pro-communist rule in the country? Capitalists were quite international in the day, having business connections all over Europe, they would not be happy to see their friends and business partners companies in other countries get nationalized by communist rebels and try to make their parent county intervene (unless if it's the mortal enemy country that suffers revolution...), likewise, the proletariat of the time would likely support an attack on a country that is having a successful A-L revolution to save their comrades from the capitalists.
To round it off:
L-F should have max 50% tax for poor and mid POP's, but maximum of like, 15 - 25% for rich strata. Planned economy should have minimum of 50% tax for low and mid, like today but min of 75% for rich strata i thinks, PE and L-F are at the very extremes of this scale, representing two very distinct ideologies which in one, the state should be kept to a very bare minimum and in the other, where the state is everything. The rich strata has every interest in L-F and should push for their own agenda more heavily and make heavy taxation of them illegal and state ownership and regulations impossible in such a system. Under Planned Economy, the rich strata has no place and should generally be vieved with disgust by the poor, who would do their utmost to take their treasures and factories and give it to the workers (managed by the state, in this case).
Please discuss what you think of this idea . Can elaborate further if anyone wants.
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