I agree while Britian and France allying with the OE at times is okay (though they should prefer allying with Greece) Russia doing it is just utterly stupid and unrealistic, well at the 1836 start date anyways.
I agree while Britian and France allying with the OE at times is okay (though they should prefer allying with Greece) Russia doing it is just utterly stupid and unrealistic, well at the 1836 start date anyways.
If you read wha i ment properly, you will find out that you need the good ally in game.Once again, missing the point.
A. Failure to get friends? You start off in the UK's sphere, meaning you cannot get any allies other than the UK. And half of the time, the UK will ally itself to the Turk, so you cannot even attack (since the game treats this as attacking your sphere leader indirectly). Furthermore, any ally you get will *not* help you. If you had read my posts or tried playing as Greece, you would know that they will only enforce their own demands. Even the UK or even France (who might pull you out of the UK's sphere), will take a poor piece of land in the other side of the world and ignore your demands. Not to mention the UK won't even send any land forces. The real problem here, and the one you seem to be ignoring, is that in 1836, Greece already had strong friends. Another indication might be the fact that the three available Greek parties at the start of the game are named after the 3 Greatest Powers (French/British/Russian Faction).
They should prefer ally that suits them better.I agree while Britian and France allying with the OE at times is okay (though they should prefer allying with Greece) Russia doing it is just utterly stupid and unrealistic, well at the 1836 start date anyways.
The Russian-Otoman alliance was already mentioned.Absolutely, It has always been a common ambition for Russia to control Constantinople, as Russia considered themselves the Third Roman Empire. It would be social and political suicide for the Czar to ally Himself with the nation that destroyed the Eastern roman Empire. No nation would dare ally themselves with the Ottoman Empire; they were considered the "sick man of Europe" for ages. These types of things need to be taken into account. It would be awesome if someone could make a more realistic alliance mod.
You haven't seen ridiculous alliances until you're playing Prussia/NGF/Germany/etc. and France, Austria and Russia join together in one big alliance bloc. Then you know you're really screwed. God help you if Great Britain decides to get in on that alliance fun too.
If you read wha i ment properly, you will find out that you need the good ally in game.
They should prefer ally that suits them better.
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This... In my last (and to date ONLY) Prussia/Germany game - was lucky I survived at all every time goddammed France DOW me for Alsace/Lorraine back. Though I did have UK on my side each time to their credit - sod all manpower assistance but I'd like to think their fleets took out France's.
If you read wha i ment properly, you will find out that you need the good ally in game.
In a game where a small german sate manages to epand and beat Prussia, the small indian state can challenge the might of UK, and Haiti can be a great power, there is no exuse to whink about Greece.
I agree while Britian and France allying with the OE at times is okay (though they should prefer allying with Greece) Russia doing it is just utterly stupid and unrealistic, well at the 1836 start date anyways.
The biggest problem with the alliance ai is it should be trying to imitate the concert of Europe, not making massive alliance blocks to then try and dominate anybody not in it with. Sure, Russia and France should ally against Prussia and Austria. But Russia, France, and Austria allying and trying to destroy Prussia is just wrong. Alliances with the Ottomans is fine to thwart Austrian/Russian aggression, but every last country in Europe doing so, including those who would be aggressive with it, is excessive.
Italy and Austria were allied too, despite Italy having loadsa claims on Austria (and pretty much Austria being jerks to Italy as much as Italy had been jerks to them). Then World War 1 happened and we all know what Italy did. This despite having claims in France too (although irrelevant and surely Nice, Corsica, Montecarlo and a couple of mountains in Savoy were not as juicy as Dalmatia, Trentino and Istria).Even though they were allied?
Italy and Austria were allied too, despite Italy having loadsa claims on Austria (and pretty much Austria being jerks to Italy as much as Italy had been jerks to them). Then World War 1 happened and we all know what Italy did. This despite having claims in France too (although irrelevant and surely Nice, Corsica, Montecarlo and a couple of mountains in Savoy were not as juicy as Dalmatia, Trentino and Istria).
Point is, they should be surely able to ally with the Ottomans, no problems about that, only they shouldn't be ready to die to defend the Ottomans together with France, Austria and the goddamn British Empire against Greece. That makes no sense. Also don't know, the fact that GPs can sphere them and then defend them to the last man is a bit little silly, since after the crimean war all they did was to try to actively dismantle the Ottomans since they couldn't stand on two legs again (well Italy did help them somehow, but because they were mad at the Greeks).
That is my problem in every single game with prussia.
I wonder how i should get E-L from france without a war agains half of europe.
Most of the time austria is in alliance with ottomans or france and russia has sphered sweden.
I try to absorb austrie for a really big german empire througt event (u must tear them down to second power via occupiing the whole austrian state)
But this is nearly impossible because even if austria stands alone - france will starts a war against you and russia and ottomans and the other joins them
these alliances are absurd
It would be social and political suicide for the Czar to ally Himself with the nation that destroyed the Eastern roman Empire. No nation would dare ally themselves with the Ottoman Empire; they were considered the "sick man of Europe" for ages
It took Greece forty years to make any gains against the Turks, and almost 80 for Greece to reach its recognisably modern borders. Whilst I agree that Greece is currently underpowered (or more accurately, that Russia and the GPs aren't more sensitive to Greek nationalism), Greece should face a tough nut to crack in the Ottoman Empire, and it is only when the Turks' rule over Greeks becomes utterly untenable that Greece should be able to make territorial gains. Could there possibly be a way of inducing sympathy for foreign nations amongst the POPs of the GPs e.g. so Greek revanchism becomes an issue of British/French/Russian POPs, generating CBs?I'm just saying that, at the very least, the GPs should let Greece take a shot at it.
At the same time, it should be possible to renew such an alliance before the deadline runs out - there needs to be a difference in the AI's calculus between maintaining existing alliances and creating new ones.1) There is no way to force an alliance to break. Alliance should be valid for 5 years and then need to be renew. Making an alliance should not increase your relation.
We really need exclusively defensive alliances. Because Austria/Russia/France allying to prevent the formation of Germany is fine. Austria/Russia/France allying to aggresively divide Prussia, like Poland earlier (During EU3-period) was divided by Prussia/Austria/Russia is not fine. Too often allies abandon the attacked nation precisely because the attacker is too strong, while this should actually encourage stability of the defensive alliance.
given this line of thought - the "concert of Europe" aiming above all fro status quo. We really need exclusively defensive alliances. Because Austria/Russia/France allying to prevent the formation of Germany is fine. Austria/Russia/France allying to aggresively divide Prussia, like Poland earlier (During EU3-period) was divided by Prussia/Austria/Russia is not fine.
Erp, not really. For example, the treaty of Sèvres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Sèvres) was up to dismember the ottoman empire just like it happened with Poland. And this after Austria and Germany got pretty much partitioned and their empires shattered, so I can't see a problem with that.