Will this game have female characters or is this another oen I won't be buying?

[Aurore]

Just checking. Mount and Blade warband had female characters but the fire and sword expansion did not so I didn't buy it.

Wars of the Roses looks good but again I see nothing in the FAQ about female characters and I see none in the presentiation videos, basically guy developers pretending it doesn't matter whilst in reality for some of us, quite a lot of us these days, its a critical aspect. (please, no misogynists comment on historical accuracy, we've heard the bullshit before. Its a game). If it does not have a woman as a playable option I wont buy it and neither will many people.

So. Will the final release have female characters?

[tomtekopf]

Historical accuracy is a valid point and for that reason I hope no women character models will be included. Also i don't see why it is such a gamebreaker if you can't play as a woman, but if that's how you feel that's your problem.

[Bjordhinn]

I find your inquiry well based but I fear it is a very minor priority. Personally I would not mind the lack of female characters, but I think for the sake of diversity it is a must.
Could you maybe explain your motivations for the ultimatum at least?

[Aurore]

Historical accuracy is bullshit Im afraid. There were women involved in nearly every comflict in history as active combatants, just the sanitised hollidwood view ignores it. Sure far fewer then men, but games are about playing a hero whether you are male or female.

Besides, its irrelvant since no one forces YOU to play one. Actually i would object to playing a game with a misogynist like you whatever gender either of us were playing. What *I* play as a character is never any business of yours and these days, designing games without female options is backwards and sexist. The fact you dont understand why its a deal breaker for me simply shows your narrow mindedness. If you could *only* play a female would *you* play it? I thought not. So dont try and force me to play a male.

[Aurore]

I find your inquiry well based but I fear it is a very minor priority. Personally I would not mind the lack of female characters, but I think for the sake of diversity it is a must.
Could you maybe explain your motivations for the ultimatum at least?

It should not be a minor priority. Women play PC games in very large numbers these days. We simply rarely dont frequent forums like these because of the very hostile and sexist reception we get when we do visit. The reason for the ultimatum is simply to remind the company that it matters to many of us, and to make the point that it does affect sales. I dont plan to hang around on the forums once I have had a reply.

There is also a hope that I am wrong. Because Mount and Blade Warband, that I enjoyed a lot, did let you play as a female, and it was a lot of fun even if they felt the annoying need to make the game more difficult. That kind of setting should be switchable not compulsory. I never tried playing as a male but my friends did and getting an initial castle was much much easier for them. Fine at least it did let me play a female, but I cant help realise that the kind of attitiude that makes you do it reluctantly and makes you deliberatly penalise women players has nothing to do with historical accuracy and has everything to do with sexism, using hisory as an excuse for it.

The mods were also excellent.

If Wars of the Roses has no women on release, then indeed I wont buy it. I expect a mod will add them eventually however, though generally these dont work in multiplayer and this game is multiplayer focussed, so I would want a female character that others also saw as female.

[Bjordhinn]

Historical accuracy is bullshit Im afraid. There were women involved in nearly every comflict in history as active combatants, just the sanitised hollidwood view ignores it. Sure far fewer then men, but games are about playing a hero whether you are male or female.

Besides, its irrelvant since no one forces YOU to play one. Actually i would object to playing a game with a misogynist like you whatever gender either of us were playing. What *I* play as a character is never any business of yours and these days, designing games without female options is backwards and sexist. The fact you dont understand why its a deal breaker for me simply shows your narrow mindedness. If you could *only* play a female would *you* play it? I thought not. So dont try and force me to play a male.

No offense but maybe you need to calm down a bit. No one was attacking you, I was simply stating my own opinions.

Historical accuracy is an important aspect, especially in WotR since it's based on a historical war. Men fought the wars, that's a hard fact. I'm sure there was a minority of female warriors, I'm not saying it never happened, but it was very rare.

Also: Can you stop calling everyone a misogynist? It's your own business whether you're a feminist or not, but no need to insult everyone just because they do not indulge your political opinions.

[1alexey]

It should not be a minor priority. Women play PC games in very large numbers these days. We simply rarely dont frequent forums like these because of the very hostile and sexist reception we get when we do visit. The reason for the ultimatum is simply to remind the company that it matters to many of us, and to make the point that it does affect sales. I dont plan to hang around on the forums once I have had a reply.

So far the only sexist there is the OP.

You cant stand playing male characters? What is this, if not sexism?
Going to the forum to make an ultimatuum about not getting a character of the sex you want. What is this, if not sexism?

[Bjordhinn]

I agree with alexey and was going to ask the same thing, but I didn't want to make matters worse, was hoping OP would see the error in her(assuming OP is a female) approach.

[Aurore]

Very rare is good enough. No one claims your character is average. You are not a random peasant plowing the fields, you are special. A female character is clearly unusual but its perfectly possible and did happen. My enjoyment of the game should not be ruined because you decide that it annoys you to see women playing the game.

And if you experienced the kind of reception we experience on most game forums you would be defensive too trust me.

Women did not just fight as warriors, they even led armies in more or less the same period. Jeanne des Armoises in poitou for instance. Choosing to exclude women is not excused by historical accuracy, and even it it were, historical accuracy is not an excuse to be sexist in a game.

Historical accuracy can be maintained to an acceptable standard even with female warriors. Its a game. People obseessed with the historical aspects will care a lot more about the avaiable weapons and armour and the design of the uniforms and standards. They can be as accurate as they like about those. No one is asking them to make boob shaped armour either, thats simply ridiculous. The women can wear the same armour, so there is no need to even change the graphics of any armour. Just clothing.

No offense but maybe you need to calm down a bit. No one was attacking you, I was simply stating my own opinions.

Historical accuracy is an important aspect, especially in WotR since it's based on a historical war. Men fought the wars, that's a hard fact. I'm sure there was a minority of female warriors, I'm not saying it never happened, but it was very rare.

[Destraex]

Historical accuracy is bullshit Im afraid. There were women involved in nearly every comflict in history as active combatants, just the sanitised hollidwood view ignores it. Sure far fewer then men, but games are about playing a hero whether you are male or female.

Besides, its irrelvant since no one forces YOU to play one. Actually i would object to playing a game with a misogynist like you whatever gender either of us were playing. What *I* play as a character is never any business of yours and these days, designing games without female options is backwards and sexist. The fact you dont understand why its a deal breaker for me simply shows your narrow mindedness. If you could *only* play a female would *you* play it? I thought not. So dont try and force me to play a male.

True. Wemon were around in most conflicts. But even if they were in the front lines they would have looked like men, so why not just pretend your a female hiding in a mans get up? That would be realistic perhaps.
Also in a conflict like the wars of the roses though I would have to say they would be in the same boat as say Arabs. Such a tiny percentage it would be like including Arabic armour simply for the want of not being called racist.

Historical accuracy is such in the game that it is a game about the english wars of the roses, but not an outright fantasy. Revisionist history is not my strong suite even though I do not want to offend you or be called a chauvinist pig I state the facts as they are known or as I know them. During this era wemon would have been shunned for combat roles and men would have refused to follow or fight with all but a few leaders such as Jean D'Arc. Who incidentally is the only female leader who actually fought in battles I even know of and a one off from God at that.

If you can teach me a thing or two more about wemon in the battles as men at arms that deserved any special treatment of changes to look different during the wars of the roses in a good source I would like to learn.

I expect the Spanish inquisition.

[Aurore]

So far the only sexist there is the OP.

You cant stand playing male characters? What is this, if not sexism?
Going to the forum to make an ultimatuum about not getting a character of the sex you want. What is this, if not sexism?

Yadda yadda because you dont have to live with game after game after game that does it and cant be bothered to include playable females. Luckily the practice is starting to die out, but you would care if most games of this genre forced YOU to play a female.

Frankly you dont have to live with this situation so you are in no position to tell me whether it should annoy me or not. You can play a character you can identify with so you are just fine. Male options are available. I have every right to complain that it is sexist. Because it is.

[Bjordhinn]

Why not just calm down a bit? You'd accomplish more by acting civil instead of a self-entitled stuck up. I hear you, and I understand you. Yes, maybe it is a shame if there will be no female characters so I guess you have every right to complain about it, but there are better ways of highlighting issues jus' sayn'.

[ElricVonRabe]

Watch out people, we are dealing with a troll here.

Look, this is just like asking for being able to play as a man in a game about amazon tribes.

Your request is just silly, and your attitude is bad.
Change your attitude, or you won't accomplish anything here.

[tomtekopf]

Historical accuracy is bullshit Im afraid. There were women involved in nearly every comflict in history as active combatants, just the sanitised hollidwood view ignores it. Sure far fewer then men, but games are about playing a hero whether you are male or female.

Besides, its irrelvant since no one forces YOU to play one. Actually i would object to playing a game with a misogynist like you whatever gender either of us were playing. What *I* play as a character is never any business of yours and these days, designing games without female options is backwards and sexist. The fact you dont understand why its a deal breaker for me simply shows your narrow mindedness. If you could *only* play a female would *you* play it? I thought not. So dont try and force me to play a male.

Yes, there might have been a few... very few women in arms (dressed and looking like men), but not enough to warrant them being modelled in game for the same reason there are no Spaniards modelled in the game since it takes place in Britain, though it was not impossible for a Spaniard to be involved in the fighting.

No it's not sexist in anyway, that's a stupid statement based in some strange form of reality. I have no problem playing the tomb raider games where the protagonist is a woman, in that game there is a reason that there is women characters, in this game there is no reason to have them. Also, it's really immature of you to attack me as a person and call me narrow minded.

[Aurore]

True. Wemon were around in most conflicts. But even if they were in the front lines they would have looked like men, so why not just pretend your a female hiding in a mans get up? That would be realistic perhaps.
Also in a conflict like the wars of the roses though I would have to say they would be in the same boat as say Arabs. Such a tiny percentage it would be like including Arabic armour simply for the want of not being called racist.

Historical accuracy is such in the game that it is a game about the english wars of the roses, but not an outright fantasy. Revisionist history is not my strong suite even though I do not want to offend you or be called a chauvinist pig I state the facts as they are known or as I know them. During this era wemon would have been shunned for combat roles and men would have refused to follow or fight with all but a few leaders such as Jean D'Arc. Who incidentally is the only female leader who actually fought in battles I even know of and a one off from God at that.

If you can teach me a thing or two more about wemon in the battles as men at arms during the wars of the roses in a good source I would like to learn.

Again if you feel that you cant play as a woman, that is fine. No one is making you. I just dont want you to make the decision for me to have to play as a man. Jeanne d'Arc was not the only female commander of the period. Jeanne des Armoises in 1439- mid 1440s led a mercenary company in Poitou to keep the bandit and highwayman problem down. There were female combatants in almost every conflict and even if they dressed like the men, their face was female so i dont want to play a man and pretend its a woman, I want my concerns and my gender respected and have an option in gameplay that reflects it.

[GordonVanDyke]

Historical accuracy is bullshit Im afraid. There were women involved in nearly every comflict in history as active combatants, just the sanitised hollidwood view ignores it. Sure far fewer then men, but games are about playing a hero whether you are male or female.

Besides, its irrelvant since no one forces YOU to play one. Actually i would object to playing a game with a misogynist like you whatever gender either of us were playing. What *I* play as a character is never any business of yours and these days, designing games without female options is backwards and sexist. The fact you dont understand why its a deal breaker for me simply shows your narrow mindedness. If you could *only* play a female would *you* play it? I thought not. So dont try and force me to play a male.

Please stop with the personal attacks on other members! This is not how we discuss topics here.

We will not have female characters as it's not historically correct. And there were not females in combat during the 30 years of wars that our game takes place in. And before you slander the game with unfounded derogatory comments of sexism know it won't be tolerated. I have no problem banning your account if you violate our forum rules. Self-righteousness is not a free pass to be rude, troll, or slander.

[Bjordhinn]

Also one more thing that I was contemplating:

Wouldn't your hate for an alleged patriarchal gaming industry grow if you were killed by every man you saw in-game? I mean, the idea of men slaughtering women, warrior or not, is still pretty much a touchy topic.

Please stop with the personal attacks on other members! This is not how we discuss topics here.

We will not have female characters as it's not historically correct. And there were not females in combat during the 30 years of wars that our game takes place in. And before you slander the game with unfounded derogatory comments of sexism know it won't be tolerated. I have no problem banning your account if you violate our forum rules. Self-righteousness is not a free pass to be rude, troll, or slander.

And there you have it. Guess you won't be buying the game?

[Aurore]

There is every reason to model them in game because the game is not being written for a few arabs or spaniards it is a mass release game, and if you had not noticed, 52% of the population is female. Since the game is released NOW and not in 1500, these women do play games and do want the option to play their gender. That is enough reason to justify modeling a female character.

Yes, there might have been a few... very few women in arms, but not enough to warrant them being modelled in game for the same reason there are no Spaniards modelled in the game since it takes place in Britain, though it was not impossible for a Spaniard to be involved in the fighting.

No it's not sexist in anyway, that's a stupid statement based in some strange form of reality. I have no problem playing the tomb raider games where the protagonist is a woman, in that game there is a reason that there is women characters, in this game there is no reason to have them. Also, it's really immature of you to attack me as a person and call me narrow minded.

[Aurore]

That would be your problem. I have no issues swining an axe at your neck. If you find it difficult to swing back, then you are dead. Im sure your next character will be more realistic.

Also one more thing that I was contemplating:

Wouldn't your hate for an alleged patriarchal gaming industry grow if you were killed by every man you saw in-game? I mean, the idea of men slaughtering women, warrior or not, is still pretty much a touchy topic.

[Destraex]

Again if you feel that you cant play as a woman, that is fine. No one is making you. I just dont want you to make the decision for me to have to play as a man. Jeanne d'Arc was not the only female commander of the period. Jeanne des Armoises in 1439- mid 1440s led a mercenary company in Poitou to keep the bandit and highwayman problem down. There were female combatants in almost every conflict and even if they dressed like the men, their face was female so i dont want to play a man and pretend its a woman, I want my concerns and my gender respected and have an option in gameplay that reflects it.

You actually did teach me a thing or two there.
But not about the wars of the roses.