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I can imagine how the interface would look like for the pagans if they release a dlc in the future. All woody and wildlife-like with antlers decorating the interface + polygamy, different coat of arms shapes, barony pictures, titles, clothes, religious features. It would be great if they made them stronger too, which they probably will in the future.
I want pagans before Muslims, but it seems like "Sword of Islam" would create much immersion for the non-muslims playables as well in the diplomatic section perhaps. Lose a daughter to a sultan... etc.
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Such an argument could easily be used to justify something vital to the game not being included except for pre-orders, which I'd argue would be punishing late adopters.
Not the case with CKII's release obviously, but the argument itself isn't very good.
similarly, @Anjwalker, I don't think expansions can ever be made as a pre-order bonus. DLC to encourage pre-ordering, sure. As devs have shown before, budget for launch-date/pre-order-bonus DLC are often separate from budget from the main game. pre-orders help create a faster return of investment, thus giving away the minor DLC for free is worth it for the company relative to the early investment return.
It's not like they have a lot of "reserve funds" to draw upon. The faster the investment is returned, the better it is for both the financiers (who are assured of greater chance of success) and producers (more resources available to improve it).
Still (regarding @Meneth's post above), the company still has to be selective of what DLC's they want to give as freebies. While giving away major DLC's with pre-order is definitely an inducement towards faster rate of return, it's also both lost revenue and more importantly lost faith/respect/interest/whatever-descriptive-noun-you-want of the community, which by itself is a deterrent to future consumers/costumers of future titles/DLC's.
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Wow another DLC discussion? How predictable and boring. 12 pages of entitled whining in the space of a day.
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I have no problem with an icon for preorders, but things like this:
For example, we plan to have a certain sub-forum which only 'true fans' of our internal titles can access where we'll let those people have a larger input on what we'll focus on for further development during the earliest part of the game's life-cycle. Of course, there'll also be a special icon indicating that you're a true fan, as well as unique avatars.
first off all you disencourage people who haven't preordered the game to buy it, 2nd you call everyone who hasn't preordered not a "true fan", there are people like me who have been playing paradox games since 10 years and i feel a little bit of a 2nd class customer when reading that, 3rd. why is there a difference if i buy the product on day1 or if i preorder it, you get the same amount of money, you should at least give all the so called "bonusss" to people who buy it in the first 1-2 weeks.
What is this sub-forum for 'true fans'? Am I missing something or does it not yet exist?
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You better have a muslim DLC music too, I want to give you more moneyz.
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As long as the 'bonuses' given to players who pre-orders the game doesn´t include 'extra game content' I think it´s fair by Paradox to give away stuff. Also considering that almost every game released have 'flaws' initially, one of the reasons I don´t pre-order myself, I think it´s fair that those who chooses to pre-order get´s something extra for it.
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As regarding the rest of your post:
There is no other forum, that never happened.
No one has used the term "true fan" since that rather old post. I agree it's not a good term, but it's fairly moot at this point.
Icon + avatars is a forum bonus only, and in fact we DID give it to everyone who registered in the first X days after release, not just pre-order people.
In (very)short, day1 sales are more useful as it put you higher on stuff like top sellers lists sooner, which leads to more sales as more people hear about it/assume it is good if it is selling well etc.
Honestly, if anyone is discouraged from buying CK2 due to not getting the forum gold icon, I'd say just don't buy it, it's ok. I'd much rather people bought our games because they want to play them, I'd feel rather bad if they were just bought and thrown away to get a special forum icon.
Holy jesus an incredible, awesome xpack is announced and instead of discussion over all the possibilities and the intriguing screenshot we got - look at that interface! love it! - we get a whole bunch of astoundingly entitled people crying about how $10 is too much to pay and whinging about pre-order bonuses, CK2 didn't even have any pre-order content in the game itself, what the hell are you crying for. Seriously?
THIS EXPANSION LOOKS AMAZING. QUIT DERAILING THE DAMN TOPIC!
thx for clearing the thing with the forum up, like i said i don't mind forum icons, achievements or other cod-generation stuff, however you should change the description of your dlc policy if it's outdated