I'm playing as hungrey. As King Salamon, at first, I had one duchy (my brother, I think, then his son) rebel 3 times. All I could do was imprison hi, and slowly strip titles.
Now Salamon died, and his bright young (german) son, who was a duke in the HRE, became king at the tender age is 14. I had made my original heir a duke, and then he died, leaving his 3 year old daughter as duchess (and the HRE duke, inherited from his mother, salamon's second wife, kind of Hungary, with 2 lonely HRE counties). Another duke declared war on her and took her ducky, and there seems to be nothing I could do to intervene (crown power is still to low). this was the second time this guy had taken another vassal's land.
Well, said duke (now with 2 duchies) just rebelled. I am sure I'll put him down quickly enough. But then.. hey gets imprisoned. At best, I can revoke 1 of his titles (2 duchies and about 5 counties) without invoking anger from my other vassals.
I want my sister's duchy back! And the counties in them to! Since the rebel duke has direct control over most of them, even if I take the title of duke back, he will still be a duke from his other title, with many direct counties under his control. I presume when I revoke his duchy he doesn't loose any of those counties. Then, I'll imprison him, and he either rots in prison forever, or he escapes and rebels against me, again, and again.
Can't I punish people more without becoming a tyrant and invoking huge penalties? Because my king is german, I already have a foriegn kind penalty, and because I expanded into russia, many vassals already have unsteady loyalty. But I really want to break the cycle of rebellion. And I want to break up this guy's large holdings, and take back what belongs to my family!
Now Salamon died, and his bright young (german) son, who was a duke in the HRE, became king at the tender age is 14. I had made my original heir a duke, and then he died, leaving his 3 year old daughter as duchess (and the HRE duke, inherited from his mother, salamon's second wife, kind of Hungary, with 2 lonely HRE counties). Another duke declared war on her and took her ducky, and there seems to be nothing I could do to intervene (crown power is still to low). this was the second time this guy had taken another vassal's land.
Well, said duke (now with 2 duchies) just rebelled. I am sure I'll put him down quickly enough. But then.. hey gets imprisoned. At best, I can revoke 1 of his titles (2 duchies and about 5 counties) without invoking anger from my other vassals.
I want my sister's duchy back! And the counties in them to! Since the rebel duke has direct control over most of them, even if I take the title of duke back, he will still be a duke from his other title, with many direct counties under his control. I presume when I revoke his duchy he doesn't loose any of those counties. Then, I'll imprison him, and he either rots in prison forever, or he escapes and rebels against me, again, and again.
Can't I punish people more without becoming a tyrant and invoking huge penalties? Because my king is german, I already have a foriegn kind penalty, and because I expanded into russia, many vassals already have unsteady loyalty. But I really want to break the cycle of rebellion. And I want to break up this guy's large holdings, and take back what belongs to my family!