North America Series Game #3 - AAR

[Paglia]

NORTH AMERICA SERIES GAME #3


This is the AAR for our latest confrontation for world dominance.


PROJECTED LINEUP
- Roster is currently full
- Teams confirmed
- Official moderator: Confinement
- Version: FTM 3.05


AXIS

• Germany: Ugly Guy / Paglia (coop)
• Italy: Icedbecker
• Japan: Confinement
• Hungary: griswolds686

ALLIES

• UK: ThePastfinder
• USA: Mycalle
• Canada: Metatank
• France: Tderth (USSR coop after fall)
• Nationalist China: Paglia (Germany coop after fall)

KOMINTERN

• USSR: Master1a / Tderth (coop)

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PROBABLE AAR WRITERS IN THIS THREAD

Paglia
Icedbecker
Confinement
Others to be confirmed

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You can discuss/comment with us on the game rules/victory conditions/etc. at: North America Series Game #3

Don’t miss AAR of our previous games at:

• Game #1
• Game #2

[Saithis]

Very exciting, I really enjoyed your last one. Subbed!

[Paglia]

LEBESRAUM
TABLE OF CONTENT [Updated June 14^th]
NORTH AMERICA SERIES GAME #3
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...-series-game-3


Hello, our group of players is going to do its 3^rd MP game together (quite a good group I’d say). This time, we will play Nationalist China until 1939 or so, and then switch to Germany as coop. So, our AAR should cover both theatres, e.g. European War from an Axis perspective, and 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Here is our TABLE OF CONTENT, which will be updated on a regular basis.

NDLR: Keep in mind that our official translators’ office, the Bureau of Communication with Foreigners, is very busy and, as such, you may find out, while reading our AAR, that our English might not be as good as you hoped it to be. For any complaints, you can get in touch with our customers service, 24/24 hours, at 1-418-234-2779 (1-418-BeH-appy).


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AAR#1: January 1^st 1936 - July 1^st 1937

DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD – POST 12

1. The Hated Friend – March 1937
2. Terrible Time Ahead – July 1937


AAR#2: July 1^st 1937 – June 1^st 1938

DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD – POST 15

1. The Call to Arms – August 1937
2. The 1st Japanese Offensive – September 1937
3. The 2nd Japanese Offensive: Yancheng-Huaiyin Pocket – November 1937
4. A Pact with the Reds – December 1937
5. The 3rd Japanese Offensive: Communist China – March 1938
6. The Plot – April 1938
7. The 4th Japanese Offensive: XeiBe San Ma – May 1938
8. The 5th Japanese Offensive: Zhengzhou – June 1938

LEBENSRAUM – POST 15

1. The Anschluss – March 1938


AAR#3: June 2^nd 1938 – January 1^st 1939

DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD – POST 25

1. The 1st Chinese Offensive: Xeibe San ma – July 1938
2. The 5th Japanese Offensive: Zhengzhou or Nanjing? – August 1938
3. Chan Shackuan treacherous action – October 1938
4. The 2nd Chinese Offensive: Raiding Beiping – November 1938

POST 26

5. The 3rd Chinese Offensive: Freeing Jinan – December 1938
6. The 4th Chinese Offensive: Communist China – November-December 1938
7. The New Year – January 1939

LEBENSRAUM – POST 26

1. Munich – November 1938


AAR#4: January 1^st 1939 – September 1^st 1939

DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD – POST 47

1. USA-China: 3 years of Collaboration – January 1939
2. The 4th Chinese Offensive: Road to Beiping – February 1939
3. The Junk Rigs Hope – April 1939
4. Qingdao Peninsula Uprising – June 1939
5. Joining the Allies – July 1939
6. Jasmine Leaf Downfall – August 1939

LEBENSRAUM – POST 47

1. Fighting the “Democratic Tyranny” – September 1939


AAR#5: September 2^nd 1939 – November 24^th 1939

DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD – POST 86

1. Reborn – November 1939

LEBENSRAUM – POST 86 & POST 87

1. Plan Welteroberung – August 1939
2. Canadian and French Counterattack – September 1939
3. Failure of the Pact – October 1939
4. The Balkans – October 1939
5. The Battle of Berlin – November 1939



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NEXT CHRONICLES

Our MP game is played on every Wednesday. As such, you can expect an update over the following week-end.


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ITALY 1936-1941
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[Jagdpnzr]

subscribed

[Cybvep]

Can't wait.

[Bornego]

Good luck! - Your double-role in this game contains an obvious conflict of interest, but I get the impression from your previous AAR that you are the kind of fair player who will easily rise above it.

[Paglia]

Good luck! - Your double-role in this game contains an obvious conflict of interest, but I get the impression from your previous AAR that you are the kind of fair player who will easily rise above it.

Well, I will have to discuss with the Japanese player on how to report on Germany actions without viewing Japanese troops while I'll be playing Nationalist China. But it's manageable.

Otherwise, I hope Japan is ready to suffer... 'cause I'm ready to inflict pain ! (well I hope I will )

[Lord Curlyton]

Consider me interested.

[CptEasy]

I'm on!

[son of liberty]

Subscribed

[Paglia]

Extract from our previous thread [where I was playing USA]

Wow. Heavy stuff. The naval setup you describe seem quite multitasking-challenging. Naval combats are so fast and expensive that everything needs to happen at the same time. I tried handling 3-4 different task forces and at the same time work with INT and NAVs but I just could not handel it all in an optimum way... as Italy.

I will follow your next one for sure.

To be honest, both the Japanese player and I lost count during the fight... It was... rahhhh... unbelievable. I had 5 fleet of 3CV-3CL + 3 SAG of about 8 ships each and 4 Subs in the area. We were moving everything from one sea area to another. He had 1 CV fleet + 2 SAG fleets but... like... 10+ air wings, of probably 3 units each, in the area. So there were CAGs to Ships battles, subs to ships battles, CV to CV, SAG to SAG, then, all those were upside down... SAG to SAG turning into NAV to SAG, then subs to SAG... then NAV to Subs...

I remember going to a sea zone to take a 3 DD fleet and discover it had been sunk... probably by NAV attack... then moving out some fleet out of bomb port... to then send them, even if they were weakened, directly into a battle, just to pin Japan down... to give me time to brng fresh units in.

Hellish !!!


... but very very very fun !


A night to remember.

[Paglia]

LEBENSRAUM
January 1^st 1936 - July 1^st 1937
NEW POST MAY 10th
NORTH AMERICA SERIES GAME #3

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DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD

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THE HATED FRIEND
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
March 1937


The Americans. How can you convince yourself to like them? They are stubborn. They are powerful. Not sure which ones come first. Bottom line, it’s hard to like them. In fact, had our relations with Japan been better, we would never have had to play nice with them. Thankfully, my wife, who studied in America, knows how to “handle” them. I shall call her up more often, to manage this tense relationship.

The Americans… How can I assess their true motives? Didn’t I order, last week, the plotters arrested and executed, after the latest American attempt to, to paraphrase them, “remove a leader incompetent and corrupt”? How can I trust those who dare try to deprive me from what is rightfully mine? I’m the Kuomintang. I am China.

There is no point, beyond the money they provide us by buying our supplies, or the resources they send in to feed our industry, in trying to do too much. Sooner or later, either them, the so called “United States of America”, or the USSR, this sleeping giant, will come to us and ask for our support against a more and more hungry Japan.

Japan… a stone in our shoe. As long as they will be on our borders, we don’t have the ability to create a unified China. Maybe they would let us deal with those Mao’s communists… but probably not. They are too eager to take land from us.



TERRIBLE TIME AHEAD
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
July 1937

War is upon us. Lin Sen failed to calm down the Japanese appetite for more land and resources. Now, we both have troops near the Marco Polo Bridge. A clash is imminent. I cannot allow Japan to think we are weak. Steel is what will matter now.

Damned Lin Sen, what a fool he was to think we could lure the Japanese into peace talks. The only thing they understand is power. Power. I shall show them power. Hopefully, I was not relying on him to deliver anything substantial.

China is no longer a feeble country. With the help of Bai Chongxi, I managed to turn this ghost army into something quite powerful. The backbone of a modern army is now in our hands. If Lin could have bought me more time, who knows how far we could have gone?

We have soldiers. Tons of them. Legions of soldiers. More than 2 millions of them. All true believers of a new China. Disciplined and trained. Led by career officers. Not a rag tag assembly of terrorized peasants. Mao cost us when he fled with his Long March, but we learnt from our defeat.

We also have planes. Real ones, for once. These “Flying Tiger” volunteers impress me. They are eager to kill Japs. This is a good thing. If they prevail, they will give me air supremacy. If they don’t, their bodies will give reasons for USA to intervene. For the time being, I would say the Gods favor us.

And ships. Admiral Wang Shouting is quite confident in his ability to use a weapon with which we are less familiar. But he made a good impression when I visited the Ning Hai, a new class of Cruiser. Our old WWI vessels like the Ying-Swei will soon be a vague souvenir.

War…

In late June, I ordered the full mobilization of our army. I also ordered General He Yingqin, in command of the 1^st Theatre Group – the Northern front – to weaken the structure of our dam on the Yellow River. His engineers have done a wonderful work. When Japanese will come close to our capital, Wrath of Gods will sweep them away. Like sand by water.

I asked General Yonchang to act as my assistant Chief of Staff for the 2^nd Theater Group. With his counsel, we shall be able to repel the Japanese.


Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek

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(2) Chiang Kai-shek (October 31, 1887 – April 5, 1975) political and military leader of 20^th century China. Known as Jiǎng Jièshí (蔣介石) or Jiǎng Zhōngzhèng (蔣中正) in Mandarin.

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LEBENSRAUM

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Soon !

[Saithis]

Chiang Kai-Shek is confident as ever. I wonder how great a blow he will be able to deliver to the Japanese assault.

[son of liberty]

I hope the Japanese player also posts his views of the war.

[Paglia]

LEBENSRAUM
July 1^st 1937 - June 1^st 1938
NEW POST MAY 18^th
NORTH AMERICA SERIES GAME #3

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DIARY OF A CHINEESE WAR LORD

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THE CALL TO ARMS
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
August 1937

As expected, the Japanese declared war upon Xanghi on July 1^st 1937. The Marco Polo was their excuse, a convenient story that even a European journalist would not buy. As soon as we received the Japanese Emissary, I ordered his execution. His head was sent back, wrapped in a towel. We shall not fear them and we shall show it. Lin Sen did not approve. But what else to expect from a man of the past like Lin Sen? However, he is still useful. He showed that his talents are still up to the task once challenged. He travelled to XeiBe San Ma and convinced them to join our fight. The same with the Guangxi Clique. They may be corrupted but they will prove to be a useful ally against any Japanese attack in the South. Lin Sen was masterful this time. I guess I can postpone his trial… New occasions will arise. For now, I shall build my alliances within the Kuomintang. Naming Bai Chongxi as Minister of defence was a good decision. It allowed me to toss out Chen Guofu who was too close to Lin Sen. Moreover; this young fellow is now indebted to me. It is priceless.

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Without any surprise, Xanghi peasants’ army surrendered on August 5th 1937. They lasted 36 days. A pity. But they played their role. They bought us time. Time we used to train more and more troops. Time to bring more Bofors cannons through Yunnan. Time to complete our war preparation and our mobilization. More important, time to form more officers. At this pace, I can’t say we are training them. Giving them a cap with stars, a whistle and a pistol… the training looks more and more “basic” one would say. But those US training officers seem to know their job. Discipline is rising among the ranks. Desertions have been trimmed down. This is an army.

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Relations with the Communist did not improve during the summer, even with the war at our door. Those fools refused a proposal to allow our troops to cross their land in order to hit Japanese supply lines. We could have made strides if they would have allowed us. No sense of the greater priorities. Mao, I hope those Japs will cut his head once they take Yan’an.

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I wonder where the Japanese will hit first. On our shores East of Nanjing? In the Qingdao peninsula? Or North of Jinan, along the coast to break through the Yellow River and try to encircle the city by going straight South after? I wonder…



THE 1st JAPANESE OFFENSIVE
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
September 1937

They came for Jinan. They avoided Communist China and moved along the coast North of the city. The strategy is obvious. They will cut through our lines, isolate the Qingdao peninsula and then turn South to trap the city and anything that would still be there.

The assault was more impressive than I thought it would be. We are still lacking officers and the units on the Yellow River broke rather quickly. Hopefully, I ordered, 2 days ago, Zhao Hong Wenguo in the Peninsula, to move his 3rd corps out and plug the hole in a hurry. The objective is just to slow them down. He left behind some brigades. Wise move. Sometimes it pays to give them some slack. These troops will occupy the Japanese even though there is only 9 000 men out there, in three distinct brigades. Enough to play cat and mouse for a month or two.

But this brings me back to Jinan. The city is exposed on its East flank. Plus, the enemy is sitting on the other side of the river. Waiting for the encirclement to take shape. Couple of weeks passed by, the Japanese are clearly making progress on the East flank. One at a time, the provinces are falling in their hands. To make the situation worst, I was just informed that Japanese made a huge landing in Lianyungang. More than 31 brigades. This is huge. Zhao Hong Wenguo failed to repel them. He managed to hold them off for 3 weeks. But he could not prevent troops from the North to break through and supply those 31 brigades. He almost managed to cut them out in this tiny 2 provinces pocket. It would have been a great victory. 4 generations later, they would still be talking about that. But he failed. Accordingly, I ordered his execution. Failure is unacceptable in this war.

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Sooner or later, the troops in the city and its surroundings will be stuck into a giant pocket. The Japanese are closing in from the South, the East and, of course, they occupy the Northern shores of the yellow River. If I don’t decide soon, I might make a major mistake.

What were their numbers? According to the last reports, we have more than 250 000 men out there. 250 000 men. And 2 special AA support divisions. And one Flying Tiger Squadron. We can’t afford to let the Japanese play with us. I must decide. If the city falls, my grip on the Kuomintang might take a hit.

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I decided to allow Von Falkenhausen, Commander of the 3rd army, to move those troops out. To allow for a swift retreat, MIL divisions were ordered to attack in order to cover the full retreat. We have so many of them. We can spare 30 000 men for the sake of saving more than 200 000 others.

The retreat was a gigantic success. The Japanese were not ready to prevent that. We managed to reorganize our lines of defense along the Jibo-Zaozhuang-Jiawang Hills line. More important, all our AA units were moved behind the lines.

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One week later. Jinan fell during the night. The city is burning because of all the combat that took place there. The 55th Soldiers of the people division hold the Japanese for 4 days. Their sacrifice helped save many. More important, the Japanese assault looks stalled.



The 1st Japanese offensive

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THE 2nd JAPANESE OFFENSIVE: YANCHENG-HUAIYIN POCKET
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
November 1937

As expected, those brave brigades in the Quingdao Peninsula held their ground for more than 1 month. What was less expected was a 2nd landing on the East shores. I guess Japanese High Command wants to win and to do it quickly.

6 divisions, 24 brigades according to our report, landed on sunrise in the Huaiyin province. As for the previous landing, this one could not be repelled and the enemy move quickly to secure another province – Yancheng - moving North to establish a connection with the main Japanese Army North of Pizhou. Only Pizhou now stands between this new forces and the main Japanese Army. I can’t allow that to happen. If they rejoin their lines, Nanjing will be exposed.

I ordered 8 divisions to move toward the shore. Among which, 4 regulars. Almost 100 000 men are marching to break this invasion before they can secure their beachhead any further. To those 100 000 men, we can add the 80 000 in Pizhou. I will make sure that they get proper support and some AA units will be put forward too. Never be careless.

The battles raged for 2 weeks. 2 awful weeks of combat where the Japanese nearly took Pizhou and only a quick counter attack with our reserves massed West of Pizhou allowed us to take the province back. In fact, combats in the zone are daily, going from skirmishes to full engagements between advanced Japanese units and our main forces.

The good news is that the Japanese beachhead is under pressure. General Von Falkenhausen just sent me a message saying that the Huaiyin province was taken, while the Japanese in Yancheng were trying to move back to it. Those 24 brigades are trapped. They can’t go anywhere.

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The Yancheng-Huaiyin pocket is a major victory. At our weekly meeting, I was able to show to my comrades of the Kuomintang that we killed more than 10 000 Japanese while more than 60 000 surrendered. I shall let the Kuomintang decide on their fate. Mass beheading? I remember some story about a Vlad Tepes, the Impaler. He was so cruel that after he impaled more than 80 000 Turkish soldiers, they did not dare come back before a full century. Would this method works with Japan?

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As expected, the 2nd Japanese offensive came to a halt in early December.




The Yancheng-Huaiyin pocket

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A PACT WITH THE REDS
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
December 1937

Lin Sen is still very active. Yesterday, he came to me to make me swallow a deal he struck with the Communists. Not the Chinese ones, the real ones, Those from Moscow. A fool he is. I told him I would think about it.

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One week passed since Lin Sen tabled me this strange deal. I must admit that, the longer I think about it, more and more ideas come to my mind. What if we could really play one giant against the other? What if we could get close to the USSR, to trigger a proper response from our hated American friends? It is risky. But the Reds are making a good trade-off: 2 full wings of fighters and bombers, for a mere 1 000 supply goods and a Non-aggression Pact. They must be truly alarmed by Japan’s progress. Their treat is rising and we shall benefit of it.

After 2 weeks of thinking, and before being seen as feeble, I told Lin Sen to agree to their deal. Kuomintang is watching me. Delaying any further would have given Lin Sen’s Clan reasons to doubt me. Worst, maybe convince others that a new direction would be needed. Lin Sen. Keep your friend near you… and your enemy even closer. Ha, Lin Sen, I shall keep you on a tight leach.



THE 3rd JAPANESE OFFENSIVE: COMMUNIST CHINA
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
March 1938

They deserve their fate. Those Communists refused our offer to help them. Now it is too late. Japan scattered their army when they entered Yan’an. Mao left the city as the coward he is. I heard they all turned their war into a guerilla war. We will see if this works.

This move was foreseen. Accordingly, we’ve been reinforcing the lines South of Communist China during the previous 2 months. When Japanese will test our lines, they shall see a wall of sand bags, bunker and fortifications… and a flooded Yellow River. Yes, I ordered Bai Chongxi to release the dam. Peasants will lose their land but China will prevail. The latter is more important.

As expected, Japanese stopped right on the other side of the river.



THE PLOT
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
April 1938

I should have seen this. They nearly nailed me down. Those two traitors: Zou Zhiou, Chief of Air Force, and Zhang Xuchiang, Minister of State Security. But is there only two of them? Could they have been acting on behalf of someone else? The Americans? The Communists? Mao? Lin Sen? Japan? The plot is thick. Possibilities are infinite.

At least, short term, I shall deal with those 2 traitors.

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They were executed last week, as an example. To help bolster the national unity, I made sure they would be presented as Japanese agents. It worked. Our people believed us. What else could have been expected? I am Kuomintang. I am China.

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I appointed an old friend, Zhang Xueliang, as Minister of State Security. I should have done so before. For the Air, I will keep it under my command from now on. I will keep that in reserve, to buy a new ally when I will need one. I may be the Kuomintang, but some members still don’t see things the way I see them. Unity among the Kuomintang is still a work in progress.



THE 4th JAPANESE OFFENSIVE: XEIBE SAN MA
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
May 1938

The last weak spot: XeiBe San Ma. They played their role but I must now intervene or I risk losing this whole front. Clearly, those incompetents can’t be put in charge of a fraction of the lines. Japanese cut through their lines with their elite mountain units and they even took our fortress guarding the Shizuishan Pass. The situation is dangerous.

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I spent 2 nights over reviewing this plan. I must say Bai Chongxi’s idea is bold. Basically, he is proposing to let the Japanese get in and strike them once they get near our rear lines. To make sure they won’t be able to counterattack, he is proposing that we use all our air forces to harass their supply lines. Brilliant. By the time Japanese figure this out, we shall be able to cut t least 4 to 5 divisions in this pocket.

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The plan is to be implemented by Commander Sou-Zshang. He made a nice impression last summer when Bai Chongxi and I reviewed the troops. A great young general.

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Marvelous. This young general did it. He broke through the Japanese lines. His troops isolated half the Japanese army between Yunnan and us. We shall be able to crush them soon.



THE 5th JAPANESE OFFENSIVE: ZHENGZHOU
Chiang Kai-shek Diary
June 1938

We are hard press in the center, between Zhengzhou and Nanjing. The Japanese 5th offensive is better than the previous ones. They now occupy Xuzhou, which is a stone in our shoe. We shall monitor this situation closely.

Our front might collapse if I don’t play my pieces the right way.

But I’m confident. I did foresee Japanese moves before. I shall be able to do it once more.

I am Kuomintang.

I am China.



The last 4 months of war: attacks and counterattacks

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LEBENSRAUM

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THE ANSCHLUSS
The Völkischer Beobachter
March 1938

Yesterday, March 12th, Adolf Hitler, our Führer, announced the Anschluss Österreichs, the occupation and annexation of Austria into Germany. Our brothers and sisters from Österreich rejoin today the Greater German Reich. After the remilitarization of the Rhineland and the return of the Saar region, our Führer now brings us forward, uniting all Germans under a unique guidance.

This unification is not the end. It is the 1st step toward the full endorsement of our politic by Europe and the creation of our Lebensraum. As Germany shall embrace its future, Europe shall embrace Germany.

Sons of Czechoslovakia, our Führer is now speaking to you. Accept your fate and ask to join us, as your Austrians comrades have done today. Liberty of all Germans shall prevail over the restrictive schemes imposed by and outdated and ignominious treaty, The Versailles Treaty.

Soon, Polish, Lithuanians and Hungarians will follow you, helping to build a strong Reich, a millennium of peace and prosperity in Central Europe.

Extract of Joseph Goebbels speech



Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

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Note: The Völkischer Beobachter ("völkisch Observer") was the newspaper of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP or Nazi Party) from 1920. It first appeared weekly, then daily from 8 February 1923. For twenty-five years it formed part of the official public face of the Nazi party. Source: Wikipedia.

[Lord Curlyton]

I must say, very impressed. Seems the Japanese are in for a slog. Now its only a matter of surviving the political infighting for Chiang. Will we be hearing from Japan soon about that side's take on the conflict?
Also, I like how you're managing to stretch the front such that the Japs have to slog through a bunch of lower-infra terrain. Wonder how bad their supply issues are?

[Cybvep]

Nice planning and great execution. Finally, the Sino-Japanese War will last more than one year...

[Paglia]

I must say, very impressed. Seems the Japanese are in for a slog. Now its only a matter of surviving the political infighting for Chiang. Will we be hearing from Japan soon about that side's take on the conflict?
Also, I like how you're managing to stretch the front such that the Japs have to slog through a bunch of lower-infra terrain. Wonder how bad their supply issues are?

In the air raided area, infra is down to 0,5% - 5 % at most. Supply is coming through one last province.

Nice planning and great execution. Finally, the Sino-Japanese War will last more than one year...

Yeap ! So far, 1 year and a half. I would say we are in for a nother year at least... Japanese will breakthrough soon. Then China will have to pullback toward the mountains. By Fall 1939, when I will probably join GER as coop, I guess the AI will have to manage my inheritance.

[icedbecker2007]

Great addition Pags, cant wait to add my own AAR for Italy. Can you include what countries human players are playing?

-Are you getting some high level General's now? I imagine the slog fest gains fast experience for the generals.

[Paglia]

Great addition Pags, cant wait to add my own AAR for Italy. Can you include what countries human players are playing?

-Are you getting some high level General's now? I imagine the slog fest gains fast experience for the generals.

The list of countries played is in the 1st post of the thread. I could add the list next time. Idea is good as the 1st post will soon be couple of pages away.

High level generals ? I must confess I truly don't know. At speed 3, I have no time to check. Plus, most Chinese generals have a star, e.g. they upgrade quite slowly. I will take a look at the save to see if I did get some.