Constant massive Communist Revolts as Russia.

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As the new 2.31 patch came out, I started a new game as Russia. Now I keep having Communist revolts across the whole country once in 5 to 10 years, I always crush them after they occupy 1/3 of Russia. I passed all political reforms and only about 3% of people support Communists, and they still rebel in huge numbers. Now I sometimes think I should just let them win maybe and have the USSR as happened historically. I never had any major wars.
I cannot understand what causes so many people to join the Communist revolts, and how can I prevent them. I would rather do something to sort the problem out to cut down support for those revolts, so what could the problem be? Alternatively, if I build up my army, will it deter revolts? Although I would rather not build up my military.

 

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Comrad, join the dark side (we have cookies)

 

delra

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They must desire more social reforms and you deny them that.

 

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Constant revolts either happen from:
(1) Reform desire.
(2) War exhaustion.

The first can be fixed by passing reforms, the second one means you have to mow them down until WE drops.

 

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A Landy said:

Comrad, join the dark side (we have cookies)

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can i have some please

 

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I did not have war exhaustion or reform desire, in fact I passed all political and social reforms I could.
I think it may have to do with having too many unemployed craftsmen, I have at least 100k of them. My benefits for unemployment reform is currently at acceptable and they still revolt anyway.

 

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Unemployment is the best way to ruin a nation. You'll lose a ton of people and the ones who don't leave will be pissed off.

 

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Dron22 said:

I did not have war exhaustion or reform desire, in fact I passed all political and social reforms I could.

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Not being able to pass a reform does not mean your pops have no reform desire. You can easily end up with a deadlocked upper house that consists mostly of conservative seats, while a minority of your pops (e.g. craftsmen) wants reforms. Conservatives will only vote for social reforms if the average MIL of your pops goes up (10% support per 1.0 average MIL) OR if there is a movement that has enough pop support. If your unemployed craftsmen are causing trouble, they are probably not be able to gain enough nation wide support for their movement (that also dependson CON and the financial situation of other pops - rich capis tend to go socialist and support reforms, for example).

I have seeen games where parts of the population will revolt over and over again because of this issue. Check pop MIL in the pop submenu. It might be a combination of lack of life/everyday needs and reform desire that makes your craftsmen revolt.

 

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You can always declare and lose some wars to increase MIL and pass reforms they oh-so-much desire...

 

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I just don't know how to deal with unemployed craftsmen since 2.31 patch came out, after a certain point the number of craftsmen grows so fast it becomes impossible to build enough factories. I have factories constantly closing as I cannot subsidize all factories doing badly, I tried to switch to laissez-faire and set the tariff slider to -40%. Laissez faire actually made my industrial score go up and I number 1 by far, but unemployment only got worst.

 

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delra said:

You can always declare and lose some wars to increase MIL and pass reforms they oh-so-much desire...

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With the new AHD prestige loss from unfulfilled wargoal this has become a quite costly way to do it... :/

 

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It´s a particular nasty problem, you don´t pass the reforms you want, you pass the reforms you can... and unless you get that lovely event that gives 20% liberal it´s borderline impossible to do reforms due to the monolithic conservative bloc. Is the NF for party loyalty a decent way to get liberals?

 

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If I were you, I would just allow them to take over and become the glorious USSR.

 

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Muckknuckle said:

If I were you, I would just allow them to take over and become the glorious USSR.

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I thought about that, but it will not solve my problems so revolts will continue. Plus planned economy would be a disaster, micro-managing the whole Russian industry would turn my game into a nightmare.

 

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Beagá said:

It´s a particular nasty problem, you don´t pass the reforms you want, you pass the reforms you can... and unless you get that lovely event that gives 20% liberal it´s borderline impossible to do reforms due to the monolithic conservative bloc. Is the NF for party loyalty a decent way to get liberals?

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Yes, but it takes decades, so maybe not really.

 

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Guess who just made a glorious Soviet Union? meeeeee

 

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What is good about becoming USSR?

 

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Nothing. Having to run the industry on your own is excruciating for your mouse and lack of laissez-faire output boost hurts more and more with every year that passes.

 

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delra said:

Nothing. Having to run the industry on your own is excruciating for your mouse and lack of laissez-faire output boost hurts more and more with every year that passes.

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I hate having to micro manage the industry, this is why planned economies were historically always inefficient.

 

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Hard to realize that your economy is inefficient if you've distorted or entirely abandoned the concept of prices...

I think Paradox was quite merciful towards commies with the representation of their system in Vicky2. They should be going from one famine to another.