Our Monarch Is Dead

[Choccookies]

The "Our Monarch is Dead" event (and one year +RR modifier) seems to fire for all government types, even those with no monarchs. It doesn't seem to make much sense that the population would mourn the death of a monarch that they never had. It makes even less sense in republics where the monarch has changed because of a vote. If the population voted for the change I don't see why the revolt risk should be increased, but maybe the revolt risk should increase the longer a president / doge / whatever has been in power in a republic as the population seek 'change'; having a higher administrative skill should make this less serious as well.

Just as an example:
First year no change
Second year <4 admin = +1RR
Third year <4 admin = +2RR, <6 admin = +1RR
Fourth year <4 admin = +3RR, <6 admin = +2, <8 admin = +1RR
and so on

Obviously this might be a bit too extreme but I like the idea of the population opposing someone who has ruled for too long, it should also make it a little harder to keep good leaders for decades at a time without having to deal with the consequences

[James_Manring]

The "Our Monarch is Dead" event (and one year +RR modifier) seems to fire for all government types, even those with no monarchs. It doesn't seem to make much sense that the population would mourn the death of a monarch that they never had. It makes even less sense in republics where the monarch has changed because of a vote. If the population voted for the change I don't see why the revolt risk should be increased, but maybe the revolt risk should increase the longer a president / doge / whatever has been in power in a republic as the population seek 'change'; having a higher administrative skill should make this less serious as well.

Just as an example:
First year no change
Second year <4 admin = +1RR
Third year <4 admin = +2RR, <6 admin = +1RR
Fourth year <4 admin = +3RR, <6 admin = +2, <8 admin = +1RR
and so on

Obviously this might be a bit too extreme but I like the idea of the population opposing someone who has ruled for too long, it should also make it a little harder to keep good leaders for decades at a time without having to deal with the consequences

This would require a lot of changes that would slow the game down, including changes to the DG_on_new_monarch stuff. What would you think of a localisation change to say Our Leader Is Dead? Additionally, I don't see a way to easily implement your request for a variable modifier based on years of rule without hard coded support. A variable could be made, but it would require a lot of code and a lot of calculations.

[Choccookies]

If it isn't practical then its fine, I haven't ever scripted anything complex in EU myself.

If it is possible however to have different text for different government types then the choice of the size of the celebration (and the associated prestige gain/loss) could be changed to how open the elections are (fair / biased / corrupt)

[gigau]

I've put several versions of the event to differentiate monarchies, republics and theocracies. I haven't changed the option effects yet though.

[James_Manring]

I've put several versions of the event to differentiate monarchies, republics and theocracies. I haven't changed the option effects yet though.

Do you have any ideas what you want to do with them yet? I don't think the yearly increased malus is practical, but some different flavor for the event is well within expectations.

[gigau]

Well, the foremost reason behing the split was to have different texts. For republics it would just be about the elections. this will have to be reviewed in more details later.

For theocracies, i'm not sure yet.

[James_Manring]

Well, the foremost reason behing the split was to have different texts. For republics it would just be about the elections. this will have to be reviewed in more details later.

For theocracies, i'm not sure yet.

For a Theocracy it would also be about an election, but this time by a Synod. Hmmm... wait that is more of a Christian concept isn't it? Did other religions have some kind of a Synod for their theocracies?

[Ampersand]

That particular sort of thing was never nailed down to be done a specific way historically. Only fairly recently in history has the Papal Election been a regular, repeated process. In the early days, the methods by which a Pope came to office varied from pope to pope. From election by the People of Rome, to being the named successor of the previous Pope, to being selected by Church Leaders.

By the time of the game, the Papal election started to get more regular, with some deep corruption in the very early portion of the game gradually fading out. When it comes to other kinds of Theocracy, there are some options.

Election by group of religious leaders, election by local populace, inheritance by a child, appointment by higher ranking religious official, or appointment by some secular authority.

For example, a theocracy in the Balkans would more than likely have it's head of state appointed by the Ecumenical patriarch, unless the state is autocephalous. Since the Patriarch was an appointed office by the Emperor in Constantinople, and later, the Ottoman Sultan, the appointments made to Orthodox theocracies might be made by either the Patriarch, or the Emperor/Sultan, depending on their leadership strengths.

With Islam, the distinction between Religious and State leadership was blurred or erased through various points in history. Islam began as both a religion and a State, under the leadership of the Prophet, and then by his successors, the Caliphs. There was no distinction between their roles as state and religious leaders. Some were elected, others were blood relatives of the previous ruler and inherited by that right.

[gigau]

Thanks, Ampersand, for enlightenning us (or at least me ).


Unfortunately, we will have to keep it simple... many consider the mod as not or barely playable due to slowness. So we shall have only one version of the event of the event for Theocracies.