Homosexuality trait???

**superdeluxe** · 25-04-2012 02:03

Does anyone know how the trait works? Is it genetic or learned behavior? I ask because my 2 oldest sons have it and I want to know if it is based on his guardian or not?

**JasonOfArgos** · 25-04-2012 02:04

Code:

# Homosexual Ward
character_event = {
	id = 38234
	desc = "EVTDESC38234"
	picture = "GFX_evt_child_play"
	
	is_triggered_only = yes
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA38234" #Make the child fast to atone for its sins
		ai_chance = {
			factor = 10
			
			modifier = {
				factor = 9
				trait = zealous
			}
		}
		FROM = {
			random = {
				chance = 20
				
				remove_trait = homosexual
				opinion = {
					modifier = opinion_mad_at_guardian
					who = ROOT
					years = 5
				}
			}
		}
	}
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTB38234" #Try to beat it out of him/her
		ai_chance = {
			factor = 10
			
			modifier = {
				factor = 9
				trait = cruel
			}
		}
		FROM = {
			random = {
				chance = 10
				
				remove_trait = homosexual
				opinion = {
					modifier = opinion_mad_at_guardian
					who = ROOT
					years = 5
				}
			}
		}
	}
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTC38234" #S/he will grow out of it
		FROM = {
			random = {
				chance = 25
				
				add_trait = trusting
			}
		}
	}
}

Thats the gaurdian event for it. There are others as well - it seems to be a learned behavior.

**superdeluxe** · 25-04-2012 02:10

Arrgghh

**tanathos** · 25-04-2012 02:29

As far as I know it's genetic!

...

Oh you meant in the game! :P

**Khazorath** · 25-04-2012 02:56

You know what I've noticed about most of the homosexual marriages that appeared? They always had twice as many children as the heterosexual ones. Even when both of them were homosexual!

**superdeluxe** · 25-04-2012 03:03

Originally Posted by Khazorath

You know what I've noticed about most of the homosexual marriages that appeared? They always had twice as many children as the heterosexual ones. Even when both of them were homosexual!

I hope so, I grabbed a grey eminence, hedonist courtier to offset my son's homosexuality

**Khazorath** · 25-04-2012 03:05

Although having said that, that was when I was playing with the 1.03 patch (I was busy for awhile) so it may have changed. But usually at least one kid eventually shows up.

**knppel** · 25-04-2012 03:08

Well, as it is only maths technically even the celibate leaves a chance to get more children (she could like, sneak in his bedroom while he sleeps, and then rub and steal his semen before he wakes up or the likes....

For me it worked out perfectly with my second son who was gay, married him off to three Countesses I didn't want to get children, but could not revoke/banish right away and needed married, but if possibly without heir.

On the other hand half of the Salians in my game are lesbians or gays and they marry nieces off to aunts and throw children like mad.

**Mr Bernie** · 25-04-2012 03:13

Originally Posted by Khazorath

You know what I've noticed about most of the homosexual marriages that appeared? They always had twice as many children as the heterosexual ones. Even when both of them were homosexual!

Gay king + lesbian queen is how I inherited Navarra in one game. They made some pretty kids, too.

**tanathos** · 25-04-2012 04:23

Originally Posted by superdeluxe

I hope so, I grabbed a grey eminence, hedonist courtier to offset my son's homosexuality

If your only worry is that you won't get progeny, then do not. The only thing the trait gives you is less children, but you'll still have some. Homosexuality does not equal sterility.

**James009** · 25-04-2012 05:43

+1 for another homosexual thread, call in the wardogs.

Anyways, should we be holding the guardians responsible because I think someone may be trying to end/slow down you family line/dynasty.

**grisamentum** · 25-04-2012 05:49

Originally Posted by tanathos

If your only worry is that you won't get progeny, then do not. The only thing the trait gives you is less children, but you'll still have some. Homosexuality does not equal sterility.

Vassals don't like homosexual lieges, but it's only -10, so not a big deal.

What is funny is when you have two unrelated homosexual characters. They apply Relations modifier as if they were opposite sex so you can get huge negatives for "attraction to gluttonous" or a huge bonus for "attractive", etc.

**Dearmad** · 25-04-2012 06:10

Originally Posted by grisamentum

Vassals don't like homosexual lieges, but it's only -10, so not a big deal.

What is funny is when you have two unrelated homosexual characters. They apply Relations modifier as if they were opposite sex so you can get huge negatives for "attraction to gluttonous" or a huge bonus for "attractive", etc.

That's awesome!

**Arko** · 25-04-2012 15:23

Originally Posted by tanathos

As far as I know it's genetic!
...
Oh you meant in the game! :P

Really ?!
In game it is a "learning" behavior, like IRL.

**Kagernaut** · 25-04-2012 15:36

Originally Posted by Arko

Really ?!
In game it is a "learning" behavior, like IRL.

Man, I really want to combat this post, but I will refrain so we don't get another locked thread...

Anyway, I rarely see this trait, but have never known it to result in less children despite the modifier for fertility. Don't worry about it, and if you don't want to see it again....apparently don't allow homosexuals to teach your kids and DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO....go to any grand tournaments

**Mr Bernie** · 25-04-2012 15:48

Originally Posted by Kagernaut

Man, I really want to combat this post, but I will refrain so we don't get another locked thread...

+1

Anyway, I rarely see this trait, but have never known it to result in less children despite the modifier for fertility. Don't worry about it, and if you don't want to see it again....apparently don't allow homosexuals to teach your kids and DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO....go to any grand tournaments

Yeah, I haven't really seen it affect anything, apart from the bonus you get from other queer folk.
There's much bigger threats to a dynastic decline, like AI insisting on interdynastic marriage for prestige. Watch your inbred freaks, game.

**Diet of Worms** · 25-04-2012 16:10

Originally Posted by Kagernaut

Man, I really want to combat this post, but I will refrain so we don't get another locked thread...

+2

Moving on. Especially after watching episode 4 of season 2, I've found the way Game of Thrones treats homosexuality to be interesting, and quite similar to my understanding of it in medieval times. It causes sniggering and the like, but it's only really important for its effects. As long as duty is done in terms of fathering an heir, it is regarded as any other sexual peccadillo; amusing or embarrassing but not massively important or regarded as a defining characteristic.

**Communazi** · 25-04-2012 17:32

+3

if homosexuality could be taught, I would have indoctrinated hugh jackman a long time ago.

**DarthKitsune** · 25-04-2012 18:26

Through careful modding, I fire an event and my monarch gets the homosexuality trait. and I've noticed that all of my homosexual ruler's have at least 6 kids. I've got a homosexual queen with 11, her homosexual husband has 13 in total.

**FieserMoep** · 25-04-2012 19:12

Well, they focus on the work they have to do.^^
They will only have sex when the old pagan lady says that the perfect time for the Women has come.

And as a Liege your sexual behaviour was nothing of a big deal aslong as your kingdom and your relations to other ones were alright and you had a heir.
Just by statistics there must have been more homosexual rulers than we know of and atleast there was no judgement day, so wayne.

But I had realy to laugh about the "learning" thing. Yes, you teach someone to be a homosexual, aye sir.^^

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