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    Einar_Einar needs linking up for Danish and Norwegian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wezqu View Post
    Isn't Emerik version of Emmerich that would make it more version of Henry than Amalric?
    Internet claims Emmerich is a variant of Amalric; also links Hungarian Imre
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    Anselm_Anselm for German, English, Norman and Italian (which is spelled Anselmo).

    Aubrey_Aubrey for English and Norman -- the same name is also mistakenly (?) listed as a Norman female name.

    Bo_Bo for Danish and Swedish.

    Humphrey_Humphrey for English and Norman.

    Jocelyn_Joscelin for English.

    Mabel_Mabel for Scottish, Norman and Breton (which is spelled Mabille)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raczynski View Post
    Internet claims Emmerich is a variant of Amalric; also links Hungarian Imre
    The name is a relative to both Amalric and Henry as its variants include Amalric, Aimeric, Emelrich, Ermenrich, Heimirich, Heinrich and Henricus. This also makes it odd that there is Amalric and Aymeric as linking names when they basicly are both the same name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleight of Hand View Post
    Aubrey_Aubrey for English and Norman -- the same name is also mistakenly (?) listed as a Norman female name.
    Its not gender specific name it has been used by females and males. If I'm not wrong current day its considered more of a female name than a male name.

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    The italian Innocenzo and the greek Innokentios should both linked. This are both formes of Innocent.

    And Italian Iacopo is also Jacob.

    Than the Italian Valerio, the greek Valerios and the romanian Valeriu. (There are also some female Valeria forms, search for Valer)

    And Italian Agostino is _Augustus.

    Also italian, occitan Alberic.

    Then Italian Claudio nad Romanian Claudiu.

    Also Italian Costantino must be _Constantine.

    And the Greek Konstantios (NOT Konstantinos!) should linked with Italian Costanzo and Costante.

    Italian (again) Enzo is a form of _Henry

    Then Italian Ettore and greek Hektorios and the Portuguese Heitor.
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    I'm aware of it being a male name, but that's certainly not to say it isn't a female name too. I think Audrey is more a female name, which may be a version of it? Not sure.
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    I have add some more names in my list above:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thure View Post
    The italian Innocenzo and the greek Innokentios should both linked. This are both formes of Innocent.

    And Italian Iacopo is also Jacob.

    Than the Italian Valerio, the greek Valerios and the romanian Valeriu. (There are also some female Valeria forms, search for Valer)

    And Italian Agostino is _Augustus.

    Also italian, occitan Alberic.

    Then Italian Claudio nad Romanian Claudiu.

    Also Italian Costantino must be _Constantine.

    And the Greek Konstantios (NOT Konstantinos!) should linked with Italian Costanzo and Costante.

    Italian (again) Enzo is a form of _Henry

    Then Italian Ettore and greek Hektorios and the Portuguese Heitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thure View Post
    Than the Italian Valerio, the greek Valerios and the romanian Valeriu. (There are also some female Valeria forms, search for Valer)
    That's not the same name/link as (for example) Valeran_Walram is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleight of Hand View Post
    That's not the same name/link as (for example) Valeran_Walram is it?
    I have ask me the same. But no I don't think so. Wiki say:

    Valerio or Valério is a male given name in several languages,[1] derived from the Roman surname Valerius, which itself is derived from the Latin verb valere - "to be strong".[2] Valerio also appears as a family name or surname
    And from Walram I know this is from German orgin. So the names are similar but not the same. So also the Italian wikipedia. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerio There are no connection to Valeran.

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    More:

    German Burchard and French Bouchard

    Italian Vittore and Vittorio, Bohemian Viktorķn Romanian Victor and German Viktor

    Italian Ruggiero is _Roger

    Italian Salvatore, Castillian Salvador

    Serbian and Greek Serapion (Evantually Italian Serafino? But I think this is another name)

    Danish Severin and Italian Severino and Severo

    Norman Rayner, Italian Rainero and Raniero, Occitan Rainers.

    And I think the Italian -etto names should linked with the name. Simone and Simonetto for example. Or what did you think?

    And I think Rudolf/Rolf and Ralph shpuld be split. The two names are not the same. Ralph cames from Radulf and Rolf from Rudolf.

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    Are Reinaerd/Reinhard and Reinoud/Reinhard (Dutch/German) already linked? These could be linked with Reginald too.

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    Lots of Arab names

    Alyasaʿ = Elisha
    Andraos = Andrew
    Ayyūb = Job
    Binyāmīn = Benjamin
    Dāwūd = David
    Efraim = Ephraim
    Hārūn = Aaron
    Hawwā' = Eve
    Ibrāhīm = Abraham
    Ilyās = Elijah
    ʿĪsą = Jesus = Joshua (used by Muslim Arabs)
    Yasūʿ = Jesus = Joshua (used by Christian Arabs)
    'Isḥāq = Isaac
    'Ismāʿīl = Ishmael
    Isrā'īl = Israel
    Jibrīl = Gabriel
    Jād = Gad
    Maryam = Mary
    Mattą = Matthew
    Mikhā'īl = Michael
    Mūsą = Moses
    Nūḥ = Noah
    Sārah = Sarah
    Sulaymān = Solomon
    ʿUbaydallāh = Obadiah
    Yaʿqūb = Jacob = James
    Yaḥyą = John (used by Muslim Arabs)
    Yūḥannā = John (used by Christian Arabs)
    Yūnus = Jonah
    Yūsuf = Joseph
    Zakariyā = Zachary = Zechariah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thure View Post
    And I think Rudolf/Rolf and Ralph shpuld be split. The two names are not the same. Ralph cames from Radulf and Rolf from Rudolf.
    That's probably a good idea; this is what I have so far so please tell me if I've made any mistakes (as is likely!):

    _Ralph

    Rędwulf_Ralph (Saxon)
    Ralph_Ralph / Randolph_Ralph (English)
    Radulf_Ralph / Ralph_Ralph / Randolf_Ralph (Norman)
    Raolf_Ralph (Occitan)

    Is Rafaello (Italian) a totally separate name or could it be linked to _Ralph?

    _Rudolf

    Rolf_Rudolf (Danish)
    Rudolf_Rudolf (German and Dutch)
    Rodulf_Rudolf (Saxon)
    Raoul_Rudolf (Breton and Frankish)
    Rodolfo_Rudolf (Italian)

    Curiously the name Rodulf, which in vanilla is listed as a Dutch name, seems to be of mixed heritage. An example on Wikipedia is a guy who was an Anglo-Norman bishop but he died about fifteen years before the Norman Conquest (as Edward the Confessor had a Norman entourage). Any thoughts on where this name should go? For now I just use Rudolf for the Dutch but there may be a better Dutch-spelled alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruwaard View Post
    Are Reinaerd/Reinhard and Reinoud/Reinhard (Dutch/German) already linked? These could be linked with Reginald too.
    Good idea -- I now have Reinhard_Reginald (German) and Reinaerd_Reginald (Dutch) linked. Correct?
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    Wait hang on -- the Dutch name Roelof looks suspiciously like it may link to Rudolf.

    Also a problem with splitting Ralph / Rudolf would be the French name Raoul which apparently links back to both. For example the Frankish king Raoul is often given as Rudolf / Rudolph and should count as a regnal predecessor for either. What do we do here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleight of Hand View Post
    Good idea -- I now have Reinhard_Reginald (German) and Reinaerd_Reginald (Dutch) linked. Correct?
    No, those are different names. While they both use the root word regin, the second half of the name is different - wald for Reginald / Reynold / Reinhold / etc., hard for Reynard / Reinhard / etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleight of Hand View Post
    Wait hang on -- the Dutch name Roelof looks suspiciously like it may link to Rudolf.

    Also a problem with splitting Ralph / Rudolf would be the French name Raoul which apparently links back to both. For example the Frankish king Raoul is often given as Rudolf / Rudolph and should count as a regnal predecessor for either. What do we do here?
    Yes Roelof is a form of Rolf/Rudolf.

    And the Raoul/Rolph. In German King Raoul is also translatet as Rudolf. A very common translation mistake I think. But the Goly Roman Emperor Rudolf woulth be translated Rodolphe not Raoul. So the French have two names and translated them seperatly. And in no ruler liste are Raouls and Rodolphes... So we can't check how it would work in real life.

    But your list is okay (Without the French name)

    Is Rafaello (Italian) a totally separate name or could it be linked to _Ralph?
    Seperate. It is a form of Raphael.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleight of Hand View Post
    Mabel_Mabel for Scottish, Norman and Breton (which is spelled Mabille)
    There is also one Mabila in Occitan. The same name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thure View Post
    There is also one Mabila in Occitan. The same name?
    Yeah it will be. I also missed Aubry_Aubrey in Frankish.
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    It may do a lot more toward getting these included in a patch if they were all collected into one post. I know it's a lot of work to be suggesting for someone else do, but I'd reckon there's somebody with more free time than myself who is willing to go over the whole thread.

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