Centralisation Effects and Vassal benefits

[pgroves]

I know that in EUII 1.09 (and so presumably in FTG):

"Each vassal a nation has now has reduces the stability and technology costs by 2%. This effect is capped at 20%."

Also, that this effect is reduced by high centralisation (0% benefit at 100% centralisation). For countries like Denmark, which often have lots of vassals (German minors etc.) this effect is quite important, so I'd like top understand it better. Does anyone know in more detail the effect centralisation has on vassal benefits to stab and tech costs? Does the relationship of the vassal of any effect (e.g. does it have to be >= 100?) on this? Is manpower affected at all, or am I just getting confused with the HRE bonus here? Thanks!

[MichaelM]

That actually was not the case in EU2; the tech cost effect was capped at 2%, meaning at full decentralization, one vassal was sufficient to get the entire bonus.

FTG kept the cap at 2%. But in 1.3, the cap is raised to 10% for countries with the centralization slider at 5 or below, and there is no tech cost benefit at all for countries with the centralization slider above 5.

For both stability and tech costs, centralization is a multiplier; at 5 centralization, each vassal provides a 1% bonus, not 2%, but the cap is still the same. Relations do not change this.

Vassals do provide manpower; the overlord country receives half the vassal's manpower at full decentralization, but none at full centralization.

[Misconstruction]

Interesting! I can see how this could open up possibilites for new strategies other than the good old always-full-centralization model!

A German minor with full decentralized, 10 vassals and HRE might actually be quite powerful!

[pgroves]

That actually was not the case in EU2; the tech cost effect was capped at 2%, meaning at full decentralization, one vassal was sufficient to get the entire bonus.

FTG kept the cap at 2%. But in 1.3, the cap is raised to 10% for countries with the centralization slider at 5 or below, and there is no tech cost benefit at all for countries with the centralization slider above 5.

Do you mean in 1.2? 1.3 hasn't been released, unless I've missed something? Centralisation 5 sounds like quite a good place to be for countries with quite a few vassals. What about the stab cost benefit, does this work in the same way?

For both stability and tech costs, centralization is a multiplier; at 5 centralization, each vassal provides a 1% bonus, not 2%, but the cap is still the same. Relations do not change this.

Vassals do provide manpower; the overlord country receives half the vassal's manpower at full decentralization, but none at full centralization.

Okay, thanks. Is there vassal's manpower reduced at all as a side-effect of this BTW?

[MichaelM]

Do you mean in 1.2? 1.3 hasn't been released, unless I've missed something?

Nope, just a heads up of what's coming.

Centralisation 5 sounds like quite a good place to be for countries with quite a few vassals. What about the stab cost benefit, does this work in the same way?

Stab cost is not affected by centralization.

Okay, thanks. Is there vassal's manpower reduced at all as a side-effect of this BTW?

Oddly, no.

[Toio]

you can reduce or increase vassal manpower in the defines file in a round about way


_PROV_MANPOWER_NCULTURE_ = -80 #Negative
_PROV_MANPOWER_NATIONALISM_ = -30 #Negative

as this is owned areas I am unsure if this is also used for vassal manpower

and income

_COUNTRY_VASSAL_INCOME_ = 50 #Positive


maybe the define file needs a : _COUNTRY_VASSAL_MANPOWER_ = 50 #Positive

[pgroves]

Nope, just a heads up of what's coming.

So 1.3 is still on its way? Fantastic! :-)