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    Ironfest - The best we can do in Australia I am afraid

    http://www.ironfest.net/program-2012/jousting

    This weekend near where I am their is a festival on that is really the best re-enactments we have here in the Australian.
    Its not much. I would like to see some pictures of the bigger bashes in Europe or America.


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    "The best we can do in Australia I am afraid"

    Ironfest is nothing to be ashamed of at all, given Rod Walker's jousts there in the past.

    Rod Walker, Toby Capwell, I think Jeffrey Hedgecock was there two years ago, when they did a full pas d' armes with proper coronel-headed lances - Described by Capwell as "that's the first time that's been done properly for 500 years", I recall.

    "We had two bags of books, seventy-five PDF files, five sheets of high-resolution linework, a hard drive half-full of photographs, and a whole galaxy of armour, swords, pollaxes, maces... Also, a quarto of latin texts, a quarto of manuscripts, a case of swords, and two dozen fechtbuch. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious history collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
    The only things that really worried me were the fechtbuch. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of a history binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon."

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    Holy hell those look like a world of hurt

    Are they supposed to bend outwards on impact?
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    Nope, they're designed to spread the force of impact onto three wider areas, instead of one single point like a sharp war lance would, and then to bite into the grandeguard or manifer worn in the gestecht joust, to ensure they transfer force and shatter the lance.

    It made sense, in a deranged way.
    "We had two bags of books, seventy-five PDF files, five sheets of high-resolution linework, a hard drive half-full of photographs, and a whole galaxy of armour, swords, pollaxes, maces... Also, a quarto of latin texts, a quarto of manuscripts, a case of swords, and two dozen fechtbuch. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious history collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
    The only things that really worried me were the fechtbuch. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of a history binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon."

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Suzerain- View Post
    It made sense, in a deranged way.
    Makes perfect sense to be fair lol.

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    NOT MUCH!?!? i wish we had this in ireland, thats awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Suzerain- View Post
    Nope, they're designed to spread the force of impact onto three wider areas, instead of one single point like a sharp war lance would, and then to bite into the grandeguard or manifer worn in the gestecht joust, to ensure they transfer force and shatter the lance.

    It made sense, in a deranged way.
    Right...and why exactly can't they just use a round tip for that?
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    a rounded tip will skitter off armour, meaning the lance wont break, it'll just slide off, except in the rare cases the hit's a perfect square-on strike (very rare)
    a pointed lance will penetrate plate too easily. and turn the jouster into an uncooked kebab.
    a 3-pointed coronel, however, has just enough bite to prevent it sliding off, and so more accurately represents a pointed one without killing the riders.

    and breaking the lance is the target of the pass, as it shows that the impact was good enough to have landed a hit, if it were a real situation.

    cunning, eh?
    "We had two bags of books, seventy-five PDF files, five sheets of high-resolution linework, a hard drive half-full of photographs, and a whole galaxy of armour, swords, pollaxes, maces... Also, a quarto of latin texts, a quarto of manuscripts, a case of swords, and two dozen fechtbuch. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious history collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
    The only things that really worried me were the fechtbuch. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of a history binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon."

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    Ok, I now see the point. Not bad *enter Obama meme*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf1990 View Post
    Ok, I now see the point.
    But you missed the remaining two?

    (worst pun of the year )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin. View Post
    But you missed the remaining two?

    (worst pun of the year )
    I lol'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destraex View Post
    http://www.ironfest.net/program-2012/jousting

    This weekend near where I am their is a festival on that is really the best re-enactments we have here in the Australian.
    Its not much. I would like to see some pictures of the bigger bashes in Europe or America.

    Not true. The Abbey Medieval Festival kicks off in 2 weeks culminating in the Tournament on Sat 7th and Sunday 8th of July.

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    *Everyone forgets SCA* -
    We use a fair amount of 'realism', but instead of steel blades we use rattan cane. We have branches in the SCA, and recently we had our war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrProfessor View Post
    *Everyone forgets SCA* -
    We use a fair amount of 'realism', but instead of steel blades we use rattan cane. We have branches in the SCA, and recently we had our war.
    In all fairness, the SCA has many wonderful qualities - accessability, a fantastic and welcoming membership, and great value for money.

    Realistic, or historically accurate, however, are two qualities it as a general whole* lack.


    * there are some individuals with fantastic kits in the SCA that are perfect recreations of their chosen period of history... but there are also too many mad max-esque pickle-barrel and carpet-armoured, knee-fighting, bargrilled spangenhelm fighters to ever qualify the SCA as a whole as accurate or realistic. And rattan is not, and never has been, an accurate substitute for steel.
    "We had two bags of books, seventy-five PDF files, five sheets of high-resolution linework, a hard drive half-full of photographs, and a whole galaxy of armour, swords, pollaxes, maces... Also, a quarto of latin texts, a quarto of manuscripts, a case of swords, and two dozen fechtbuch. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious history collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
    The only things that really worried me were the fechtbuch. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of a history binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon."

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Suzerain- View Post
    In all fairness, the SCA has many wonderful qualities - accessability, a fantastic and welcoming membership, and great value for money.

    Realistic, or historically accurate, however, are two qualities it as a general whole* lack.


    * there are some individuals with fantastic kits in the SCA that are perfect recreations of their chosen period of history... but there are also too many mad max-esque pickle-barrel and carpet-armoured, knee-fighting, bargrilled spangenhelm fighters to ever qualify the SCA as a whole as accurate or realistic. And rattan is not, and never has been, an accurate substitute for steel.
    Agree. I would say as for soft kit goes I have seen some excellent SCA examples which are as accurate as yo can get them. As for armour and weapons that is a different story.

    I have jousted at abbey a couple of times. Its a a fun event with kit that ranges from good to very very......very poor.
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    You guys are lucky, they have a few in the US but I need to travel excessively to get there, the only thing that even remotely fits the bill is King Richards Faire, which is just a Renaissance festival on crack. They do smith their own weaponry to sell however, gotten a few nice pieces for the collection there.

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