How exactly is diploanexation OP?

[marat271]

Hello, I'm a newbie at Eu3. I'd like some advice.

I've seen many times in let's plays, and AAR's that they don't want to diplo anex or diplo vasalize. But, how exactly is this OP? I nearly never manage to get them to accept, even if they are a 1 state minor. And even, when I have an 8 diplomacy king, I most often get an impossible, or very unlikely. What makes people think it is OP, and how do I make use of it properly, what am I doing wrong?

[DDRJake]

If you expand your Sphere of Influence massively which is very cheap and easy to do if you are already large, you get an absolutely massive bonus to your diplomacy skill and can quite easilly diplo-vassalise most 3-or-fewer province countries. Using this you can pretty much diplomatically conquer the HRE provided you are already fairly strong yourself.

Some people are fine with that, others want the extra challenge. Live and let live.

[marat271]

Even when I had 12 total (4 sphere, 8 king), I had problems diplo anexing. I had 0 infamy.

[DDRJake]

Not 4 countries in your sphere of influence, more like 20 or 30.

[marat271]

Not 4 countries in your sphere of influence, more like 20 or 30.

But that costs like 50 prestige a piece later. So, you can increase you sphere once every 10 years O_o

[mallard454]

But that costs like 50 prestige a piece later. So, you can increase you sphere once every 10 years O_o

That's when you go on punitive wars just for the prestige. Oh, you interfered with my sphere? I'm grabbing 20 prestige from you!

[Alerias]

Its not OP, hasnt been since they put in the 3 province limit, really.

[Flammehav]

Its not OP, hasnt been since they put in the 3 province limit, really.

You can't diplovassalize anyone with more than 3 provinces now? When did that happen?

[ywhtptgtfo]

Its not OP, hasnt been since they put in the 3 province limit, really.

Yeah that's bs.

[grommile]

You can't diplovassalize anyone with more than 3 provinces now? When did that happen?

Uh, sometime. It's always been the case in DW, AFAIK.

[yabba]

Even when I had 12 total (4 sphere, 8 king), I had problems diplo anexing. I had 0 infamy.

I don't think the developers ever considered that players would have more than five countries in their sphere of influence.

[Fishman786]

Uh, sometime. It's always been the case in DW, AFAIK.

It's been like that since IN at least, possibly Vanilla.

[Emperor Hans]

Its not OP, hasnt been since they put in the 3 province limit, really.

Still diploannexed my 26 province Byzantium vassal a week ago.....
Your argument has been rendered invalid.

[DDRJake]

Still diploannexed my 26 province Byzantium vassal a week ago.....
Your argument has been rendered invalid.

You can diploannex a country of any size. I diploannexed a 52 province Brittany once, my chance was "likely"

But you most certainly did not diplovassalise a 26 province Byzantium.

[zcar94]

well back in vanilla EU3, as Castille i diplo vassalized Aragon, Portugal, Sicily, and England, diploannexed all but England before i bought Complete.
So it was VERY OP then, now it's not so bad.

[The-King]

I don't think the developers ever considered that players would have more than five countries in their sphere of influence.

No, I think its indended as its one of the ways to increase your magistrate income.

Anyways if you have trouble diploannexing, try getting an ambassador to increase diplomacy skill (should be done in addition to expanding your sphere).