The problem I see with declaring war with levies already raised is, why would a vassal allow you to take their men when there isn't any fighting to be done? Maybe letting you declare war with levies raised only when already fighting another war? Could cause gaming by declaring war across the map to stack doomstacks to blitz your neighbor though. As annoying as the feature is, I don't see how to make it less annoying without making it easily exploitable.
FTFY. A better alternative from PI.Originally Posted by pellegrino4
but you can still practically do this with mercs... so a better solution should be found. though it's quite difficult I guess. Perhaps having some proximity meter as with mercs, cannot have any raised army within such distance of the enemy unless it is within your own borders. and then a bit more finetuned :P
Easier solution: allow defenders to take land they have a claim on, but if they do so then the truce restriction applies to them as well. No need, then, to mess around with rules for declaring war with raised levies.
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Try and see how long you'd last as a non-hre state if monarchs got just declare war whenever they wanted.
Grand Strategy games aren't like those ones where the player is the most important force for change in the game world. The AI doesn't have a heart, to it you're just a number. It doesn't care about the differance between player controlled characters and other AI controlled characters.
This game would just be "Salian vs Doukas: The blobbing" if there weren't rules.
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It's really easy to change that. Plus, defending vs a large enemy isn't hard if you let attrition do its job.
I wouldn't like it if you could declare war as long as your troops are in your own borders, because then you have to watch what people are doing next to you to avoid someone getting the jump on you. And you would never know if the massive amount of moving troops that you see everywhere are others' wars or people coming to kill you. That could get frustrating, especially in a large kingdom.
Think of being unable to break these rules as your char. having the sense to preserve their position and life despite your wishes. I assume paradox didnt want to program a elaborate system where you broke the rules and everyone of your vassals stopped listening to you from the dukes to the barons and/or everyone around you took all your stuff away. Not a huge medieval history buff but I think most people in this time period who tried to run roughshod over everything didnt end well or their gains didnt last long.
If you just want to blob it mod it! just make sure your the HRE or ERE.
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This!.
+1.
Or we are too fonded on the radical views of the French Revolution, or we just assume every king in Europe at that time was
a bloodthirsty tyrant... or we read too much about Vlad III the impaler. =P
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The OP's point is that one could choose to ignore all these 'codes of honor' and just go ahead and attack anybody for no reason. His vassals probably wouldn't like it, but when you're the strongest dude around, who's gonna fight you?
Without your vassals help you might be the strongest dude around but only by a small margin. Few Kings could survive if all of their vassals revolted simultaneously.
In an "international" (anachronistic I know) context, even if you are the HRE or ERE, you are not going to be the strongest dude if all your vassals abandon you (see above).
This is kind of the point. The medieval King is not really the strongest dude, he is the first among equals. His personal holdings and troops might be superior to those of his most powerful vassal but they are unlikely to be decisively so. Even with absolute authority he relies on the tacit support of those directly beneath him.
I COULD be wrong, but that would mean a full scale rebellion of every single feudal lord below you, and would probably get you assassinated even before your troops could reach the enemy province. Heirs would end up in the same way too. And the rest of your direct dynasty would likely end inside a tower for the rest of their lives.
I'm not that good at medieval history though. =/
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to be fair to the social system at that time, that dude's strength derived from the relationship he had from his vassals. If all his vassals started hating him, civil war in inevitable.
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If you totally went against the code of the time I would imagine it should make the Pope and church, Emperor and other Kings rather unhappy as you threaten the established order which gives them their authority. So you would expect excommunication to result from this behavior and an aggressive response from your neighbours to impose Gods will on your out of control realm.
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How it would actually work:
KING: Aha! With my 20,000 men I will crush the kingdom of Blankia!
CHANCELLOR: My lord, we have no casus belli.
KING: Who cares? I rule these lands, I make the rules! Summon my vassals to war!
(later)
MARSHAL: My lord, your army is ready.
KING: But... there only 30 men here? Where are the other 19,970?
MARSHAL: They, um, they said they're very sorry, but there'll be a slight delay...
(meanwhile)
DUKE: So, are we all agreed our king has gone mad with bloodlust?
OTHER DUKE: Yes! He would destroy the honour of our realm with this senseless war.
ARCHBISHOP: Not to mention offending God with his blasphemous disregard of the laws of nations.
DUKE: That too. So what do we do about it?
YET ANOTHER DUKE: I hear his heir is a decent chap; much less aggressive.
OTHER DUKE: He'd make a good king, I think.
DUKE: So do we ask his Majesty to, um, "retire" to a nice cosy dungeon somewhere?
YET ANOTHER DUKE: Sounds like a plan.
ARCHBISHOP: All those in favour?
ENTIRE ASSEMBLED NOBILITY OF THE KINGDOM: Aye!
(a little later)
MARSHAL: My lord king, you know those missing 19,970 men? I think they're here. And they seem to have your son with them...
For a historical reference, from what I understand the first part of this happened in 1065 in England. Earl Tostig's people rebelled against him, and everyone except the king felt that the rebels were in the right. King Edward the Confessor ordered his vassals' levies to be raised to squash the rebellion, but nobody showed up. This left Edward little choice but to "change his mind" and decide to exile Tostig.
One of the main reasons why you cannot do just as you please when playing as a character from the Middle ages is a concept called the great chain of being. Of course ambitious nobles and kings were most of the time not-that-serious about their ten commandments but this stuff held on for a long time. You had to have a damn good reason, a lowly Count to challenge your Duke for his title.
As a result of this hierarchy, creatures and things on a higher level were believed to possess more authority over lower ones. Plants, for instance, were believed to have authority over the minerals in the soil. They were superior to minerals because, unlike inert matter, they were alive and capable of growth. Consequently, they had God’s sanction to draw nutrients from the earth and grow upon it, while the minerals and soil existed to support plants. Similarly, animals--a step higher on the Chain of Being--were thought to have authority over both inanimate plants and minerals. So horses could trod on rocks and earth and eat plants. Humans in turn were believed to possess greater attributes than animals. Thus it was proper for them to rule over the rest of the natural world. Similarly, spiritual beings like angels and God had greater ability than humanity and so ruled over and controlled humanity as well as the rest of the animal and the inanimate world.
This view of the world as a well-ordered hierarchy ordained by God was (and in some cases remains) enormously influential. It informed how people understood theology, science (especially astronomy), medicine, politics, and history. It was a view with many interesting ramifications. Among these were the following:
Moral Ramifications: it is a moral imperative for each creature to know its place in the Chain of Being and fulfill its own function without trying to rise above its station or lowering itself by behavior proper to the lower links in the chain. A human who eats like a pig, or as randy as goat, has allowed the lower, animal instincts in his nature to override his awareness of God's divine will. He is guilty of fleshly or carnal sin, and he denies spiritual aspect of his nature. Likewise, a human who attempts to rise above his social rank does so through arrogance, pride, or envy of his betters. Here, the error is an intellectual or spiritual sin.
Political Ramifications: the belief in the Chain of Being meant that a monarchical government was ordained by God and inherent in the very structure of the universe. Rebellion against a king was not challenging the state; it was an act against the will of God itself, for a king was God's appointed deputy on earth, with semi-divine powers. King James I himself wrote, "The state of monarchy is the most supreme thing upon earth: for kings are not only God's Lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself they are called Gods."
At the same time, however, a monarch had the moral responsibility to serve God and protect his subjects. In return for absolute power, a king was expected to rule with love, wisdom, and justice. To do otherwise was to abandon those natural qualities that make a monarch fit to rule in the first place. Misusing royal authority was a perversion of divine order just as rebellion against royal authority. In theory, there were two classes of people: Nobles and Commoners. In practice, there are a many gradations of both classes. These gradations, or class levels, were also thought of as parts of a Great Chain of Being, which extended from God down to the lowest forms of life, through the class structure of society and even to the trees and stones of the earth.
This rather reminds me of that scene in Game of Thrones where Joffrey tells Cersei he'll get the North to give him a huge army which he will use to crush them when they defy him by refusing to give him the huge army.
Actually I would like what joffery said since he is my favorite character. also it'll be a nice addition to he game. Also what about certain Condiitons to allow you to have no real reasons like being Cruel or just having all the Evil traits?
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