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    Annexing Uncivs

    Has anyone ever considered making it so that if a GP spheres a minor unciv it will annex it eventually? Like with African minors once the scramble for africa starts. Ovibuslly there would have to be limits so that big countries like China and Japan can't be annexed but, if someone spheres Johor,etc.. why shouldn't they be able to annex them eventually?

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    I think the Scramble for Africa chain has some events that let you annex African uncivs if you have them in your sphere via event, and the United Kingdom can occasionally annex it's Indian satellites by the Policy of Lapse. Also, I'm pretty sure there are decisions that let Russia annex the Central Asian countries if it spheres them and has the right technology researched.

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    Yeah, I was thinking of making a generic decision to do this, along with annexing puppets.
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    GTFO Decision -> Justify War -> Annex

    You don't need an event for something the game clearly has already prepared. In special cases it makes sense, but the war mechanic of the game exists for a reason. There shouldn't just be events to circumvent systems that already work well.

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    But countries were sphered in real life before being annexed, they didnt have to be declared war on. I think a decision should be available, but of course it would be a after a certain amount of time, and would raise military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMekajiki View Post
    GTFO Decision -> Justify War -> Annex

    You don't need an event for something the game clearly has already prepared. In special cases it makes sense, but the war mechanic of the game exists for a reason. There shouldn't just be events to circumvent systems that already work well.
    I know that you can annex countries with the war system but, it would be nice to be able to use diplomacy once in a while. And like Flame said it would add realisim.

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    Wouldn't the AI just end up annexing the whole world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loonyballoon View Post
    Wouldn't the AI just end up annexing the whole world?
    There would be a number of years limit, something very long, and some techs researched, and a size limit.
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    You already can use diplomacy in special cases. You're asking for the special cases to be "any time there's an unciv"

    That is circumventing the war system. Yes, often countries were annexed diplomatically, which is represented by the cases already present. Also present is the just as common occurrence of countries being annexed by military force and occupation.

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    In every case, a general mechanic is better than special country specific events and decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMekajiki View Post
    You already can use diplomacy in special cases. You're asking for the special cases to be "any time there's an unciv"

    That is circumventing the war system. Yes, often countries were annexed diplomatically, which is represented by the cases already present. Also present is the just as common occurrence of countries being annexed by military force and occupation.
    Im not asking to circumvent the war system I just think that a good addition to APD would be the ability to sphere and then eventually annex Uncivs. The unciv could refuse which could spark a war also this would allow uncivs that get sphered to not just sit their in the middle of the AI's borders.

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    If there's a lengthy time requirement AND there's a randomness to it (should be a chance for event to fire after X years, not locked in), I don't see a problem. Alternatively, there could be an event to transition a sphered country into a puppet/dominion rather than just annexation.

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    how about an event chain instead?

    A: sphere leader chooses wether or not to annex sphereling

    B: sphereling has the option to ask help from a rival GP or giving up

    C: rival GP either let's it slide or voices his displeasure

    D: sphere leader either gives in to rival GP or asks other GP's for opinion (simulation of a congress, based on opinion of either GP's)

    E: whoever wins the debate get's much prestige, the other loses some, sphereling get's annexed if the spheremaster won or get's free if he didn't

    obviously this doesn't count for spherelings in africa ( those are already promised to whichever GP annexed them)
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