Possible British surrender event?

[Rommel41]

I know I've talked about something like this before, but I was wondering how I would go about creating an event where the UK would switch governments and surrender. Something that would run checks against Axis control of the Home Islands and have a 10-30% chance of firing.

The reason I ask is that, while I know there is a UK event, it seems to fire only after I have occupied all British territory with VPs anyway and even without any other majors in the Allies. In my current game as Germany, I have defeated or brought into the Axis all European nations (minus the historic neutrals, except Spain) and the US is NOT at war, though Japan is part of the Axis. Italy is south of the Equator in Africa with no enemies left in their path, Persia has been annexed and the panzers are about to spill into an empty India, Bitter Peace fired two months ago and the Kriegsmarine has uncontested control of the North Atlantic! Both Chinas beg for peace once a week as Japan gobbles the unprotected South Pacific!

All this by January 1st, 1942!

Does the UK simply never see the absolute hopelessness of the situation? The war is over. But now I have to send the Wehrmacht ALL THE WAY to Tarawa!

An event where Hailfax becomes PM and sues for peace is well within the realms of historic plauseability. Besides, once the Home Islands fall the UK can't even maintain it's navy.

Anyway. If anyone knows how I would go about starting this event, would be much appreciated! Thanks.

[The-Doc]

SMEP does all that and more.

[Avalanche]

Here is an event chain I use in my own scenario for British surrender.

I was planning to add more lost provinces in India to the triggers and some other triggers too like war between Germany and UK, but those can be added and tweaked easily.

Also, the event makes british give the Atlantic islands, and Newfoundland to USA and Canada.

It also liberates several of the colonial nations, representing the colonies carrying on the fight. If you feel those are unnecessary, they too can be easily removed.

Hope it helps!


################################################## #######################
# UK Surrender
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 50317
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
NOT = {
#Africa&Gibraltar
control = { province = 348 data = ENG }
control = { province = 900 data = ENG }
control = { province = 906 data = ENG }
#Home Islands
control = { province = 19 data = ENG }
control = { province = 3 data = ENG }
control = { province = 5 data = ENG }
control = { province = 6 data = ENG }
control = { province = 7 data = ENG }
control = { province = 8 data = ENG }
control = { province = 9 data = ENG }
control = { province = 10 data = ENG }
control = { province = 11 data = ENG }
control = { province = 12 data = ENG }
control = { province = 13 data = ENG }
control = { province = 14 data = ENG }
control = { province = 15 data = ENG }
control = { province = 16 data = ENG }
control = { province = 17 data = ENG }
control = { province = 20 data = ENG }
control = { province = 21 data = ENG }
control = { province = 22 data = ENG }
control = { province = 23 data = ENG }
control = { province = 24 data = ENG }
control = { province = 25 data = ENG }
control = { province = 26 data = ENG }
control = { province = 27 data = ENG }
control = { province = 28 data = ENG }
control = { province = 29 data = ENG }
control = { province = 30 data = ENG }
#India
control = { province = 1494 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1481 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1482 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1483 data = ENG }
#Rest of Asia
control = { province = 1351 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1352 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1350 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1353 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1349 data = ENG }
control = { province = 1315 data = ENG }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1963 }
name = "UK Surrenders"
desc = "With our mainland, India and key locations in Africa and Asia in enemy hands, we cannot hope to resist the Axis anymore, should we try to negotiate a peace, or continue the futile resistance?"
style = 0
picture = "Bitter_Peace"

action_a = {
name = "Beg for peace"
ai_chance = 100
command = { type = trigger which = 50318 }
command = { type = independence which = NIG value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = GUY value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = RHO value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = SIE value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = U98 value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = U89 value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = U86 value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = GLD value = 0 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CAN value = 575 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CAN value = 576 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 538 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 758 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 664 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 665 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 653 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 652 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 666 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 668 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 896 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 897 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 805 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 806 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 807 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 1147 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = USA value = 1148 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Fight till the bitter end"
ai_chance = 0
command = { type = dissent value = 20 }
}
}

event = {
id = 50318
random = no
country = GER
name = "UK offers peace"
desc = " "
style = 0
picture = "Bitter_Peace"

action_a = {
name = "Accept it"
ai_chance = 100
command = { type = trigger which = 50319 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Reject it"
ai_chance = 0
command = { type = trigger which = 50320 }
}
}

event = {
id = 50319
random = no
country = ENG
name = "Germans accept our surrender"
desc = " "
style = 0
picture = "Bitter_Peace"

action_a = {
name = "Good, I guess..."
command = { type = make_puppet which = NIG }
command = { type = make_puppet which = GUY }
command = { type = make_puppet which = RHO }
command = { type = make_puppet which = SIE }
command = { type = make_puppet which = U98 }
command = { type = make_puppet which = U89 }
command = { type = make_puppet which = U86 }
command = { type = make_puppet which = GLD }
command = { type = trigger which = 50321 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARG value = 866 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = IRQ value = 1822 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIA value = 1349 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIA value = 1350 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIA value = 1346 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIA value = 1304 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 31 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 444 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 1813 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 1814 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 1036 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ITA value = 1035 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SPA value = 348 }
}
}

event = {
id = 50320
random = no
country = ENG
name = "Germans reject our surrender"
desc = " "
style = 0
picture = "Bitter_Peace"

action_a = {
name = "War it is then..."
command = { type = inherit which = NIG }
command = { type = inherit which = GUY }
command = { type = inherit which = RHO }
command = { type = inherit which = SIE }
command = { type = inherit which = U98 }
command = { type = inherit which = U89 }
command = { type = inherit which = U86 }
command = { type = inherit which = GLD }
}
}

event = {
id = 50321
random = no
country = GER
name = "Victory over United Kingdom!"
desc = " "
style = 0
picture = "Bitter_Peace"

action_a = {
name = "Excellent!"
command = { type = inherit which = ENG }
command = { type = dissent value = -20 }
}
}

[Rommel41]

Thanks! Both good ideas. I'll probably try the event on it's own before I install a bigger mod like SMEP, but I'll give it a try eventually!

[Pang Bingxun]

Why are the nations made puppets of the UK in event 50319? Germany will annex the UK anyway.

[Rommel41]

Just got the British surrender event to fire in vanilla AoD with the conditions I listed earlier plus, duh, India! And what happens? They decide that "there is still hope!" Now why should THEY have any say about it?! Bah!

Anyone know the percentage chance that they reject surrender? Thanks!

[Serenissima]

I imagine any event like this should check if the USA is in the war. If they are... then it's pretty damn unlikely that there's going to be a surrender, since victory is, eventually, certain.

[Rommel41]

I imagine any event like this should check if the USA is in the war. If they are... then it's pretty damn unlikely that there's going to be a surrender, since victory is, eventually, certain.

With 653 IC, 245 divisions and a 200 relation status with the US (who has about 375 IC, at best) I think I can claim to be the first super-power and crush even them if they decide war was necessary. Lucky, they have been smarter than that!

USA being at war is usually part of any major-power's surrender event.

[VonIberville]

You are mastering the game - time to play multiplayer!

[Rommel41]

You are mastering the game - time to play multiplayer!

I have a buddy who plays as the US most of our games. He is how I've developed great anti-US strategies, military-alliance with only US and isolated-US plans. Nothing is more exciting than completing that massive encirclement of Soviet troops, linking up between Rommel and Patton just east of Moscow!

Another game we were tossing nuclear-tipped ICBMs at Berlin and D.C. in '51. Now that was a game!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, sir!

[Rommel41]

Just finished the game where the Brits finally caved. They made peace, I invited them to join the Axis...and they promptly destroyed the former Dominions by 1944! Seriously! The UK AI on the Axis performed better than the Japanese AI! Captured the Dutch East Indies, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Newfoundland and a few other islands around the world in less than a year and a half!

Germany hardly needed to provide support troops the British did so well! Even had to rush my invasion of Canada to beat them to that!

So glad I got to have them as an ally instead of having to annex all that! Even helped me defeat china while Japan was stuck south of Behind since '37!

[Pang Bingxun]

As triggering the surrender events of UK and USA is almost as hard as annexing them the main reason for those events is to make them join germany.

[Rommel41]

As triggering the surrender events of UK and USA is almost as hard as annexing them the main reason for those events is to make them join germany.

The UK surrender event only had a change of GOV and leaving the Allies. I had to spend about three months swaying UK relations until they were open to the idea (70% chance) of helping Hitler.

[Pang Bingxun]

The UK surrender event only had a change of GOV and leaving the Allies.

But those were the only changes you needed, weren't they? The event gave you an extra of 2500 $ for making peace, that should be enough for better relations and bringing them into the axis. Still, annexing is probably more fun.

[Rommel41]

5000 for peace. 2500 if you continue the war.

I've turned the map grey so many times that I find my games more fun when I can have 200+ belligerence, dozens of allies who rule in my name effectively and still have perfect TC that facilitates my super-power style power projection. Having control of Scapa Flow and Plymouth allows me the feeling that the UK doesn't have much of a choice in any case.

[Tomnoddy]

What does it take to make them surrender? I downloaded SMEP, did a Sealion, ended up giving NI, Scotland and Wales to Eire. A year later they still won't pack it in, now i've had a DoW from USSR and USA, i could really do with one less enemy right now..

[Pang Bingxun]

What does it take to make them surrender?

event = {
	id = 13
	random = no
	country = GER

	name = EVT_13_NAME
	desc = EVT_13_DESC
	picture = "partition_of_england"
	style = 0

	trigger = {
		OR = {
			control = { province = 56 data = GER } #Paris
			NOT = {
				war = { country = FRA country = GER }
			}
		}
		control = { province = 19 data = GER } #London
		lost_VP = { country = ENG value = 75 }
		lost_IC = { country = ENG value = 75 }
		NOT = {
			war = { country = USA country = GER }
		}
		NOT = {
			war = { country = SOV country = GER }
		}
		random = 50
	}

        date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1936 }
        offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1963 }

	action_a = {
		ai_chance = 50
		name = EVT_13_ACTA
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
		command = { type = end_mastery which = SCO }
		command = { type = money value = 5000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 66 }
	}
	action_b = {
		ai_chance = 50
		name = EVT_13_ACTB
		command = { type = dissent value = -2 }
		command = { type = money value = 2500 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 66 }
	}
}

So you need 75% if their VP, need to lower their IC by 75% and you must not be at war with USA or the soviet union. I fear in term of this event you are screwed.

I downloaded SMEP

SMEP may have made some changes. I quoted the event from AoD 1.08 Beta.

[Avalanche]

Why are the nations made puppets of the UK in event 50319? Germany will annex the UK anyway.

Nations are made puppets of UK so that they join the Allies. It kind of represents the colonies continuing the fight after the mainland Britain has fallen. After UK is annexed, the colonial nations still remain in Allies.

[Tomnoddy]

To be honest, i can't imagine the UK really fighting on to the occupation of the last overseas territory. If mainland UK falls, or has very nearly fallen (everything from London to Glasgow in Axis hands) most of the colonies are going to seize upon this moment of weakness to shake off the yoke of British rule and declare independence (and neutrality).

If the UK and mainland France are occupied, and no other majors are fighting Germany, i can't even see Canada, Austrialia or New Zealand carrying on. They may not have any immediate fears of invasion, but they're hardly in a position to invade Germany, or liberate Britain/France by themselves. I'm imagining a kind of "bitter peace" event for the Alllies. Of course, should Germany go to war with another major these minors are almost certain to join up against the axis.

[vitality]

To be honest, i can't imagine the UK really fighting on to the occupation of the last overseas territory. If mainland UK falls, or has very nearly fallen (everything from London to Glasgow in Axis hands) most of the colonies are going to seize upon this moment of weakness to shake off the yoke of British rule and declare independence (and neutrality).

If the UK and mainland France are occupied, and no other majors are fighting Germany, i can't even see Canada, Austrialia or New Zealand carrying on. They may not have any immediate fears of invasion, but they're hardly in a position to invade Germany, or liberate Britain/France by themselves. I'm imagining a kind of "bitter peace" event for the Alllies. Of course, should Germany go to war with another major these minors are almost certain to join up against the axis.

British Navies and forces throughout the world will hardly lay down their arms just because London falls.