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    "Apparatus Belli" — Saturdays, 16:30 CET

    This is more or less of a continuation of my Newbie Colosseum, however it's not one anymore. All players are welcome to join.
    The name translates roughly to war engine, or war machine, i kinda went out of ideas till i got this :P

    Some info for the game first:

    Starting date: Saturday, 10 March (Next week).
    Session length: 4 hours
    Gamemaster: Me
    Host: Me, unless we're in 20 and a super host is required
    Options: All normal except lucky nations on none and spread of sea provinces on 75, land provinces on 100.
    Out of game communication: Kommando's chat, or if people request it a voice chat could be used.

    Rules:

    Absences:

    -Unwarned absences are not seen well. If you miss the first session without notification your country may be taken by another player. If you miss a session that is not the first one, your country gets AIed or subbed if you get lucky. If you don't let us know about you before the second session of absence your country will be considered free.

    -It is the responsibility of the player to actively find a sub for his country, if the country gets AIed, it's his fault. The GM will however write an announcement on the thread to find subs.

    -A country that is AIed for a session and isn't free is considered protected. That means that all players should peace out with it ASAP if at war with it.

    -If a player rage quits during a war any peace under 100 warscore can be applied. After that, either a new perm will be searched for or it will get partitioned.

    Rehost:

    -Each player has the right to 2 rehosts per session. If there are technical issues there won't be a rehost until these might be fixed, this means no consecutive rehosts for a single player. In case a player doesn't show up during a rehost because he's AFK (or for any other reason) he will have to wait 30 minutes, unless a rehost for another player is needed.

    -When rehosting the checksum must be BJLT, so you'll need to quit and restart the game as quickly as possible in case it's AJLT or others.


    General Rules:


    -War Taxes are permitted.

    -Agreements between players, private or public, will not be enforced. However, agreements that form part of a peace deal will be.

    -If you feel you have been seriously mistreated by another player, contact the GM discreetly.

    -Do not wreck your nation. No mass-releasing of vassals out of spite, and no refusing to peace for no reason other than pettiness.

    -You can only declare war on a player's vassal if you are already at war with that player, or you have a specific casus belli (like Reconquest, general CBs like Holy war or Cleansing of Heresy aren't allowed.)

    Peace Rules:


    -A peace term can never be over 100% Warscore for a single member of the losing alliance, and the release of provinces counts as double the Warscore. This is to prevent games where one single nation or alliance can bully everybody.

    -Annexing players is possible, however the defeated player needs to own only one province.

    -Alliance leaders may not sign peace without the explicit consent of all members of their alliance. Minor members of the war may peace out separately, but still the other alliance must agree on that. In case the warleader wants to surrender but a minor doesn't, he can request to be edited as warleader.

    -When asked for, the attacker must state his goals, and if the player surrenders to those terms the winner(s) must stop any further action until peace has been reached, that means retreat from battles and stop sieging. It's not possible to revoke the surrender. However, it's also not possible to change demands once the defeated alliance has surrendered.

    -Selling provinces (for ducats or not) can ONLY be part of a peace deal if the province is an underdeveloped colony

    Gaming the System:

    Generally all exploits are forbidden, here's a list of the common ones:

    -Releasing and reconquering vassals on which you have a core in order to burn infamy, however it is possible to diplo-annex them 10 years later. Also, if you want to reduce in size a released nation to keep it as a vassal you can take up to 4 provinces from them, as long as you vassalize them in the same war or later(4 infamy)

    -Selling or donating manufactories, CoTs or missionaries to other players.

    -Selling provinces to another player for the sole purpose of said province being removed from the Empire and then returned.

    -Selling provinces when the buyer can't see said province and/or has no discovered path to access it.

    -Pausing for multi-dowing

    Keep in mind that this is just a list of examples, it does NOT mean every other exploit is allowed.



    As always, to sign up post a list of five preferences as following. I discourage newbies to take important countries like France or Austria.

    Here is mine:

    Austria
    Novgorod
    France
    England
    Denmark


    Player list:

    Lama43: Austria
    Histaxin: England
    Iceni: Ottomans
    Novgorod: Luminary
    Sickness: Milan
    Sorgenkind: Castille
    Kapt Torbjorn: France
    phantomdentist: Holland
    Troxbox: Brandenburg
    Alfonso V: Portugal
    nitman: Japan
    Ivnivnius: Oman
    BritishRage: Venice
    Lealo: Lorraine

    Total players: 14


    Stats and maps:

    1st session

    Last edited by Lama43; 11-03-2012 at 17:27.

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    Im in.

    England
    Spain
    Muscowy/Novgorod
    Venice
    Portugal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lama43 View Post
    Releasing and reconquering vassals on which you have a core in order to burn infamy, however it is possible to diplo-annex them 10 years later.
    What precisely is the correct way to fix a vassals size? lets say France wants guyenne as a vassal, releases guyenne, conquers x areas to make it a OPM/TPM -> goal accomplished, burned some infamy in the process. -> how do you actually do this maneuver? This is fairly important for France, Russia, OE, Austria, Poland atleast but also nations going to india & china is affected. I sincerely see the problem in burning the infamy, what do you do instead?
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    I'm in too

    Ottomans
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    Muscovy
    England

    ^ These are my top two, I don't really want any other, but if you have to have 5, then:

    Milan
    France
    Poland
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpvg View Post
    What precisely is the correct way to fix a vassals size? lets say France wants guyenne as a vassal, releases guyenne, conquers x areas to make it a OPM/TPM -> goal accomplished, burned some infamy in the process. -> how do you actually do this maneuver? This is fairly important for France, Russia, OE, Austria, Poland atleast but also nations going to india & china is affected. I sincerely see the problem in burning the infamy, what do you do instead?
    I usually use rebels for that, although yes i understand your point. If you re-vassalize the nation you released, the infamy result is pretty much the same, you actually get more in case it's a 3PM or less. I'll correct the rule for these needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpvg View Post
    What precisely is the correct way to fix a vassals size? lets say France wants guyenne as a vassal, releases guyenne, conquers x areas to make it a OPM/TPM -> goal accomplished, burned some infamy in the process. -> how do you actually do this maneuver? This is fairly important for France, Russia, OE, Austria, Poland atleast but also nations going to india & china is affected. I sincerely see the problem in burning the infamy, what do you do instead?
    How about just moving the national focus and removing the vassal's cores?
    Too cool for a signature.

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    Ottoman
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    I'll play aswell

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    Holland (if no Burgundy)
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    holland
    portugal
    venice
    hansa
    milan

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    Im up for this game!

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    im the guy who wrecked poland at newbie coloseum, dont worry im better now, kinda O:

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    milan
    ottomans
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    Preliminary list:

    Lama43: Austria
    Histaxin: England
    Iceni: Ottomans
    Tornadoli: Muscovy (i suggest you to take Novgorod though)
    Sickness: Milan
    Sorgenkind: Castille
    Lamertu: France
    JO3MACC: Poland
    phantomdentist: Holland
    Kapt Torbjorn: Denmark
    Troxbox: Brandenburg
    Jpuldk: Manchu (i suggest you to take another European country like Portugal, Hansa etc.

    Total number of players: 12

    Countries still available in Europe: Portugal, Hansa, Venice

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