The Historic Inevitabilty of Epic Failure

[PdoxNewbie]

A note: those are good points (I didn't think of those before), but I'm pretty sure he said in his France AAR that it's okay to go over the limit due to a drop in the diplomatic rating of the king.

[homy_dog34]

More like, that it is excusable, but you shouldn't even be up that high in the first place.

I think as of now, he doesn't want to go over the limit for any reason. It would make the AAR look a lot better.

[Barsoom]

There are times when PrawnStar risks it. If his 9 dip king had died right after the first peace settlement with Hindustan and his successor had been 3 dip, I think he'd have been over the limit. But that's an extreme case, his policy seems to be to avoid it.

[sprites]

the successor couldn't have less than 5 diplo as he's playing a republic.

[Swistaczek]

the successor couldn't have less than 5 diplo as he's playing a republic.

I once choosed diplo ruler and got 3 dip, it's bugged sometimes.

[GaiusC]

Yeah, unless there's a very sepcial situation, he won't go that close to the infamy limit, but still, going beyond the limit is ok if it's the death of the leader. Still, I expect that should only occur at the very end of the game.
And since an elected leader should have at least 6 in the chosen stat, I'd fully expect and allow Prawnstar to save and reload if there ever was a bug and he got a diplo-3 ruler that way.

[vasziljevics]

Yeah, unless there's a very sepcial situation, he won't go that close to the infamy limit, but still, going beyond the limit is ok if it's the death of the leader. Still, I expect that should only occur at the very end of the game.
And since an elected leader should have at least 6 in the chosen stat, I'd fully expect and allow Prawnstar to save and reload if there ever was a bug and he got a diplo-3 ruler that way.

save&reload? PrawnStar? you read the same AARs as me?

[Chief Ragusa]

save&reload? PrawnStar? you read the same AARs as me?

He said he saves about 50 times a sesssion. You have to, because the game will stop working or crash, if you're doing too well. It's easier if you have a recent save to reload. If a DIP 3 ruler turned up, he'd be tolerated for 4 years. I'd be sorely tempted to go dictatoship at that point, though.

[PrawnStar]

FEEDBACK

Ltn.Owning - I had no problem annexing Japan in my test game - not sure whatthe problem is people are talking about.

homy_dog34 - I think we can safely say there will be substantial gains

sprites - Yes the non-Christian OPMs can be taken out with the Revolutionary CB but there is the opportunity to get rid of them early which I think will be worthwhile.

Athalcor - The extra 5 points of Admin is good but I would take 1 point of Diplo instead. That said 8 for Admin and Diplo is very nice.

Arakhor - I guess my diplomatic candidates are good at charming the electorate. Tbh choosing a diplo candidate and then re-electing a good one is a no brainer.

dragonizer - I haven't counted the BDs but yeah he rocked.

Malurous - I'm not sure about your maths. A three province minor with a cored province should cost 2BB to annex no matter whether you take the core in the first war or later. For Mali - take the core 0BB then annex TPM for 2BB. If you did it the othe way around and took the non cored provinces first that's 2BB then a 0BB annex. Nothing in it either way.

Funnyman320 - Thanks

Tallfellow - Originally I figured I'd get to the Southern Chinese coast with the Holy War CB so I'm very pleased that I'm way past that point.

Ricardo Rolo - Absolutely right I'm keeping my Diplo 8 guy for as long as I can. I'll wait and see with Japan, I don't recall having any problems with Japan in my test game and none so far - you'll see some progress in the next update.

Chief Ragusa - I was rather hoping Burgundy would distract Bohemia but it just changes how the war should be fought - defensive looking to win battles rather than offensive looking to take provinces. Since I can't get huge chunks of BB from Japan I do intend to top up via eating the OPMs - they are cheap to get rid of with Holy War. You'll appreciate what happens to Ming

uat2d - I know, that's part of why I'd hand back the 5 points of admin if I could get an extra point of diplo.

Barsoom - I am a very long way ahead with my Asian Empire compared to my test game and my expectations. Republican rulers can last a long time, just keep re-electing and don't make them generals! Yes on Ming you've spotted the plan, force Ming out into the nomad affected areas and hope for a positive result.

no7892142 - Diplo 8 is good enough to keep - a lot more downside than upside to that call.

Yammka - No arguments there!

Aminti - Qin is a pain, absolutely right, working on a plan but nothing's come together yet. Your take on Japan sounds reasonable as well. Religious conversions? More detail in the next round up but if I said there are only 6 Hindu provinces and 5 Buddhist provinces worldwide and I'm busy converting China because I've finished most of the stuff westwards...

BootOnFace - 1650 round the empire update

MrFinland - Good to see you out in the open. 1) Roughly 24k in Europe 16k ROTW / 2) 1:4 I mainly storm fortresses not siege / 3) Safe rear areas and shuffle rebel hunter stacks forward as I build new units / 4) Mainly trade but also Prod 1 and Naval 1.

PdoxNewbie - Lots of detailed answers but the quick answer is BB has negative consequences so keeping BB low reduces those consequences. Why do you think otherwise?

Barbarossa_TSG, Barsoom, dragonizer, Malurous, Aminti, Franconian, Chief Ragusa.

Thanks for the detailed answers + Barsoom wtf is a jojo pattern?

blsteen - Yes the Japan thing was a pain - I was hoping for a really good number of provinces from the first war at least.

PdoxNewbie - If I break the BB limit because my ruler changes then it's not the end of the world - I'll let BB drop back below the limit. That said I would hope that I'm not going to be in that situation until possibly the very end of the game.

homy_dog34, Barsoom - Trying to avoid the problem but sometimes risks are necessary.

sprites - and that's why I'm playing a Republic

Swistaczek - Let's hope that doesn't happen but if it does someone's joining the army...

GaiusC, vasziljevics, Chief Ragusa - I save a lot, my PC has a habit of switching itself off without much warning so I save between 3 and 6 times a year and every time something interesting occurs.

[PrawnStar]

CHAPTER THIRTY NINE

It’s February 1633 before my next move with BB of 9.83 / 23.00 falling at 2.20 a year. Days before my truce with Japan is up I DOW Ming pulling in Manchu. I want to be at war with Manchu before DOWing Japan to make sure Japan is war leader.



Nanjing is my only target from this war.

Days later war with Japan, for everything I can get.



Boundary dispute with Aquileia - June 1633



Diplo 8 isn’t as good as Diplo 9 but it’s still good enough for Boundary Disputes to be reasonably common.

Peace with Ming - July 1633



That’s the capital shifted to Hovd deep in the nomad and rebel (and how did they get there ) infested interior. Hopefully this time Ming won’t be able to hold on. Manchu are peaced out straight afterwards.

Peace with Japan - November 1633



Another 100 point peace, eliminating the Orange Daimyo and taking another five provinces from the Blue guys.

BB is 15.22 / 23.00 falling at 2.20 a year.

By May 1635 BB is down to 11.65 / 23.00 and it’s time for another plan…

Holy War with Brunei



I intend to use the war score from defeating and occupying Mali and Qin to partially compensate for not being able to reach Brunei’s heartland… yet.

Late October brings a Boundary dispute on Brunei’s South East Asian provinces. A Reconquest war looks increasingly likely in Brunei’s post 1650 future.



Peace with Brunei - March 1636



This was the objective - forcing Brunei to release some islands - so I can take them in a separate war that doesn’t involve tangling with Brunei’s navy.

Days later…



Another core on Milan - at some point I’ll have to fight them.

February 1638 - What’s happened to Ming?



Ming broke to rebels that I spawned through spies. That last province is culturally Kazakh, just saying…

My truce with Manchu is up in July 1638 and with BB down to 5.99 / 23.00 what comes next is no surprise…

The truce with Japan ends in December so it’s war there as well. Peace with Manchu will wait until after that DOW to avoid Manchu’s guarantee causing any complications over war leadership.



Peace with Manchu days later



The end of the Counter Reformation reduces missionaries and papal influence.



It takes until September to win the sieges I want in Japan - hostile armies and navies don’t provide much opposition. I’ll get one more Holy War against Japan.



BB is now 15.76 / 23.00 falling at 1.90 a year.



Oh.

[Mico94]

Well, that surely won't be a major issue...

[Ricardo Rolo]

How nice of Ming to collapse and to release a horde

Bohemia declaring war on you? How novel ... normally it is the other way around . Well, see it in a brighter light: now you can DOW Aquileia and Milan for cores without fear of Bohemia joining in Hopefully you followed pretty much everyone's advice and buffed the European armies after that nasty little war with Bohemia + Milan. And BTW don't you have a core or two to recover from Bohemia? Reconquest CB works both ways ... *insert evil grin smiley*

Besides that, in the far east, Japan is one Holy war away of you being able to dissolve the Shogunate ( and in good time, should I add ), Manchu is as good as dead, Brunei is being slowly eaten out and that Majapahit looks like a good exercise for your troops in between truces with Brunei . Good job indeed, far better than I was expecting for 1638

[Aminti]

[T]here are only 6 Hindu provinces and 5 Buddhist provinces worldwide and I'm busy converting China because I've finished most of the stuff westwards...

Well, I suppose that's quite clear.

That war by Bohemia reeks of war with Milan and Aquileia on a Reconquest basis after you're done tearing down the castle in Prague... Again. Still, it's unexpected, it might bring in vultures and your armies are probably as well-positioned as Sarah Palin is likely to ever take the US presidency legitimately. Do you have a core on them or are you just going to do the whole "let's strip a core here and some money there" routine? Very nice job with Ming - I suppose they're British or Oirat vases now? You're probably hoping the Oirats take out Qin and you take out the Oirats with colonists. Eventually. How's the colonist rate?

[Dauth]

Very interesting, good work with Japan. Looks like you'll eliminate the green daimyo first. Are you having any fun with the minor hordes or are you leaving them for mop up later? Are there any nations they can still have an impact on?

I believe he means yoyo and would hazard a guess at Dutch as a native language.

[Franconian]

I like your "Oh"s. But in general, it seems that everything is falling nicely in their places.

[sprites]

you'll need two wars to unite Japan ... and not forgetting Okinawa!
If Bohemia brings in Milan , maybe leaving their core on Albania would prevent them getting an isolated serbian province.
France can be DoW'd any time now for the free core.

[dragonizer]

Some very good work!!
Bohemia wants to dance again.
My favorite country Ming gone/ Have done more than 18 WC's with all kinds of different house rules in IN with Ming.

[Barsoom]

I believe he means yoyo and would hazard a guess at Dutch as a native language.

Yes and yes. I should have looked that up, I've blown my cover now.

I'm very curious who Bohemia brings into the war with them. If not Milan, then a quick DOW just before the peace deal with Bohemia would be in order.

Also, nice work with Brunei. Normally I'd advise against releasing nations, it just adds BB costs for annexation but in this case you not only bypass Brunei's navy, you also have another Holy War target to abuse before the 1650 deadline - good, since you seem to be running out of infidels.

[homy_dog34]

Oh please. Bohemia is such a chump to you now. Nothing to worry about!

Anyways, maybe you should take one of Brunei's mainland provinces. That way you could maybe get some border disputes on them sometime.
Getting a broder with every one of their provinces could make getting cores there easier.

[Chief Ragusa]

Like what you're doing to Japan. When you do take all the capitals, do that at the end of a war or you'll get a daily message that he Shogunate is disband, until you do make peace.

When yo udo take on Milan for your cores, you may have to bitethe bullet andtake Kosovo too.
This war with Bohemia provides opportunity to fight Milan for cores as well. Your BB is quite high at the moment and loading an extra 4 on it may be beyond what you want -especially as you burn rate is under 2. If you can take a high enough score against Brunei , you can force release Malaya and Malacca. That ends Brunnei's hold on their hime island. It may even force the capital to the mainland.

If all else fails, just take Qin. A OPM Ming and Qin will just sit. there Good to yopu for moving the Ming capital to start with. Capitals never come up to take, unless i own all the provinces around them.