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    How to Stop the Cathar and Fractelli heresy?

    So I am facing a rather large problem, nearly all of Europe is Cathar, I am Scotland and am the last bastion of catholicism, Scotland, Iceland, and The Poland-Hungary area. I am now starting to have to pick less better men in my court because the men that would be best for the position are Cathar or Fractelli (Fractelli less and less) England is almost completely Cathar and I face constant peasant revolts because I am of a different religion from them, I have tried to get my Court Chaplin to lead inquisitions but he can't react fast enough to the spread or he gets killed before he can purge them. Does anyone know a faster way to combat heresy? if not is there a more effective way to fight it on a large scale? thanks in advance.

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    Don't use antipopes, keep the moral authority at 100%.

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    I guess you can starting declaring holy war on just about anyone, then appoint Catholics to rule those lands. Over time, they should be able to convert their holdings to your religion, assuming that they don't convert themselves.

    On a slightly related note, what happens if the Pope also becomes a Cathar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritzzz View Post
    I guess you can starting declaring holy war on just about anyone, then appoint Catholics to rule those lands. Over time, they should be able to convert their holdings to your religion, assuming that they don't convert themselves.

    On a slightly related note, what happens if the Pope also becomes a Cathar?
    That'd be like serving boiling water as a cold drink.

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    I ain't gonna lie, your game sounds awesome. The most I've ever seen from a heresy was Zikri covering most of the Seljuk Turks for a few decades, but once they got invaded it nearly vanished over night. I'd just be proud if I were you to have a game where Catholicism actually didn't dominate the world.

    That, and you get the be the last bastion of hope for your religion, a feeling I know all too well playing as Norse in Sweden. For us, it's a constant battle against the Christians and it's a freaking blast trying to keep our way of life intact.

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    I find the Cathar tide hard to believe. Is it due to excessive anti-popery?

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    I'm actually worried this will occur in a MP CK2 game I'm currently a part of. Me and another player commissioned antipopes to see if there was really any tangible gain/loss for using them, and now I think I've found it: Heretics become much more common place, since an antipope lessens the moral authority by 20%. Of course, one can simply convert to wherever heresy is dominate, but that opens up the door to getting holy warred and that's no fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe27 View Post
    I'm actually worried this will occur in a MP CK2 game I'm currently a part of. Me and another player commissioned antipopes to see if there was really any tangible gain/loss for using them, and now I think I've found it: Heretics become much more common place, since an antipope lessens the moral authority by 20%. Of course, one can simply convert to wherever heresy is dominate, but that opens up the door to getting holy warred and that's no fun.
    Or loads of fun. Anyone know any particular way to lower authority for orthodox?

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    Hey, TC, mind uploading a picture of Europe on the religious map mode?
    This I gotta see!

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    Anyone know any particular way to lower authority for orthodox?
    Or raise it?

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    I have the same problem, constantly putting down rebellions is driving me mad. There simply isn't any end. Almost every european province is heretic in mine too and it will make me consider not making an anti pope next time. I sortof like the function though it will really encourage crusades and as few antipopes as possible.

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    Seems orthodox is still fine convert to it and you'll be rid of the problem in another 100 years.

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    That is so cool. For flavor purposes, I think I'm going to play a game where I load up a couple kings and kill the moral authority, just to have some fun.

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    In my game as Sweden by 1200 whole ERE turned Iconoclast and is advancing on Orthodox Rus. And all that just before the Mongols arrive...

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    Moral authority is the key here. Not only does the creation of an antipope lower it, the mere existence of one will over time lower it (all the way to zero if it is not stopped).

    You can ask your vassals to become catholic again, but they may not stay that way forever, so you need to keep periodically checking them. In the end the only thing to increase stability in your realm is to convert to another religion.

    If you turn into an heretic (which is very likely), you can declare a holy war on catholic rulers. All catholic rulers should be very weak from constant rebellions too. But the thing about heresies is that there are a lot of them and it is still a lot of work to convert everybody into the right kind of heresy.

    Another choice could be orthodox but it is harder to arrange.

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    Might aswell post a screen of my game where most of europe is heretic, even Rome. Antipopes ftw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggen View Post
    Might aswell post a screen of my game where most of europe is heretic, even Rome. Antipopes ftw.

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    Under such circumstances I guess Catholics become the real heretics. Are you able to join the Cathar religion?

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    My current game is halfway to the map posted above. Catholicism is at 1.7% moral authority. My economy is a bit better now and position is militarily more secure, I want to be a good Catholic now is it possible to bring it back?

    BTW in order to revert the process, as adviced in another thread, I did conquer the real Pope in Rome and he abdicated, so now my guy is 'the real Pope'. Following this abdication Moral Authority increased tiny bit but map spread of heresies continues. I wonder if it's too late to revert the process now? (process of weakening Pope, while getting rich was fun BTW)

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    Heresy is very rare in my games unfortunatly. I had a scottish king once, who followed Lollardy and one catharian french province...
    So, it´s really fun to see your religion map and you shuld definitly convert

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    Use religion as it was used then: for power.

    If half of Europe switched, or even just some of your most powerful allies and some who didn't are among the provinces you'd like to grab, follow suit and forge some alliance with them, then provoke a religion war. Everyone will be so busy that you'll be able to grab a couple of things in total legitimacy without anyone noticing.
    Once you have what you need, try to calm things down a bit, see how the dust settle, and then switch back to the most secure position again.

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