What's the point in changing to an empire?

[xbudx]

ive tried it a couple times now and i dont c the point in it? nothing good ever comes from it... does any 1 ever change to it and good good??

[pevergreen]

It leads to better government types.

Feudal Monarchy -> Empire -> Noble Republic/Absolute Monarchy

[xbudx]

It leads to better government types.

Feudal Monarchy -> Empire -> Noble Republic/Absolute Monarchy

ahhh so it is worth doing it then? or going a different route? i like being england / austria

[sneakey pete]

No centralization limits either

[Sheridan]

Also, in the short term, you get a magistrate boost, and I think an infamy boost also. Later, you can use it as a stepping stone to Administrative Monarchy, which has better boosts.

Any country with 30+ provinces and a European monarchy type government can declare an Empire. It's a seperate concept from the HRE, so (as England, Austria, etc) it would be seperate from any particular strategy. For example, a united Spain (or Great Britain for that matter) will reach the criteria with about 5-8 overseas provinces/colonies.

[_Isladar_]

Also, if you're talking MP, and it's fairly early on, +0.5 to land morale can be a pretty big edge.

[Iwanow]

It is +0,25, not +0,5 but still, may change the face of a battle.

[bestbrian]

And don't forget the Holy War CB.

[brifbates]

And don't forget the Holy War CB.

and slightly faster slider moves as well...

[xbudx]

but less manpower and army size yes? wont that b a bad thing when it comes to wars?

[dageir]

I believe you can go straight from feudal monarchy to absolute monarchy.

[Memento Mori]

but less manpower and army size yes? wont that b a bad thing when it comes to wars?

Honestly, if you have enough provinces to become an empire, manpower usually does not matter in the slightest, Having an army 100% of your limit is usually an unnecesary strain on the finances. At least it is in most of my games (exceptions: previous OPM's which have a lot of uncored land. In this case it would not be a good idea to swich to empire ASAP indeed)

[Iwanow]

Honestly, if you have enough provinces to become an empire, manpower usually does not matter in the slightest, Having an army 100% of your limit is usually an unnecesary strain on the finances. At least it is in most of my games (exceptions: previous OPM's which have a lot of uncored land. In this case it would not be a good idea to swich to empire ASAP indeed)

I think in MP it is a big case. Also countries like france can have army over their limit, and do not have any financial problem. If your limit is 100k you should aim to have 100k. OFC as long as your finances can support it.

[Stolen Rutters]

About the Holy War CB, you normally only get it on nations bordering you, but with Empire you don't need a border. This widens your opportunities for growth immensely.

The lack of limit to centralization, though a nice benefit, doesn't really help you until you actually get your centralization that high.

Giving up forcelimit for the morale bonus, though. That's the key in my view... I'd say taking the morale bonus is a good tradeoff because the forcelimit issue is fundamentally a finance problem, solvable in this game by so many ways, but there are limits to how high you can boost the early morale limit.

[Sheridan]

I believe you can go straight from feudal monarchy to absolute monarchy.

Or at least Administrative Monarchy, yes. But Empire, if you can meet its requirements, makes a decent step up from Feudal... and it's not technology based, so you can get it earlier than any of the others become available. Essentially, you end up working up your techs while under Empire instead of Feudal... but Empire is optional to this progression, yes. Nothing better is available until Administrative, which if I recall is govt tech 18?

[BlitzMartinDK]

Two answer the original question : Yes. I am playing as Denmark, and got empire by.. 1460, I think..And it was Splendid! Suddenly I could Centralize, and as I formed Scandinavia I got to central -3, and then with the militia decision got central -4. Excellent!

Going Empire was a Big Yes for me! Ohh, and more magistrates!

[Cat Lord]

Question though: It seems that my legitimacy is cut in half when I become an Empire, and as a result my Infamy limit goes down and into the red.

Anyway to avoid this ?

Cat

[Pewt]

Question though: It seems that my legitimacy is cut in half when I become an Empire, and as a result my Infamy limit goes down and into the red.

Anyway to avoid this ?

Cat

This happens whenever you switch forms of government.

[Iwanow]

Well... NO. But YES. No, you can't avoid lose of legitimacy, but YES, you can avoid the problems, if you will make your infamy down BEFORE, you change to empire OR, you can just change to empire when your legitimacy is equal to ZERO. If it is, you won't lose legitimacy...

[dzikslaw]

Your ruler gets cooler title (Emperor, Czar etc.).