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    Wanted - Secret History File

    When the game is over I want to know things that the game can't tell me while it's going on. I want a "Secret History" file detailing who tried to kill me, who did kill me, who was in on it, etc. I've had heirs killed and the announcement was that the death was suspicious and the next son in line was subject to immediate arrest (damned fine police work!). Was it a plot? Who else was in on it? I've had selfs who were cut down in the prime of life with the message "seems suspicious" but nobody got caught. I have the same questions (I died in combat and my Marshal revolted shortly afterward). I've had many wives plotting my death, and one memorable wife (lustful, lesbian, mastermind theologian imbecile) who might have committed an apparent natural death on me (she plotted to kill others later).

    So when the final Kings List rolls at the end of the game, why not have each ruler clickable with specifics as to who plotted to kill him, who killed his children/heirs, how he eventually died, who was in on the plots and maybe a few more choice bits (who slept with his wife). I think it would be a great addition to the storyline and feel of the game if you found out later that your grieving widow did you in because she'd been sleeping with your brother, or who exactly caused that suspicious death message. Yes, of course, it's exploitable mid game, but really, I don't see that as a reason to reject something which is otherwise doable and worthwhile. If I'm a cheater, I can be resuscitated with a simple restore, why not encourage me to accept death with dignity by making it more interesting?

    Only the program can tell us the information I'm asking for, and only if it's stored somewhere. A little extra data only for the player's character doesn't seem out of line in terms of resources. AAR writers would appreciate this especially, as would anyone with a lusty lesbian mastermind theologian imbecile wife. More could be added, wars fought, provinces gained lost, but it's "how did I really die" that I want answered.

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    Yes. I want this, I hate unknown deaths, I was almost positive my daughter murdered my son, I would just liketo know for sure, even after the game ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flame7926 View Post
    Yes. I want this, I hate unknown deaths, I was almost positive my daughter murdered my son, I would just liketo know for sure, even after the game ends.
    Exactly, I'm not asking to change the game, and I swear that many deaths which appear to be normal will turn out to be a huge surprise to the player.
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    Hah, this would be cool, if the game keeps track of that sort of thing. Another way to do it might be to reveal all of a character's dirty secrets after they die and you "find their journal" detailing their plots and trysts... or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bballman23 View Post
    Hah, this would be cool, if the game keeps track of that sort of thing. Another way to do it might be to reveal all of a character's dirty secrets after they die and you "find their journal" detailing their plots and trysts... or something.
    Given the soap-opera nature of many of the relationships, any additional information is likely to be full of surprises. I was looking to add to the player's enjoyment without altering the gameplay at all. Some alterations would still be a big net plus to the player's experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InnocentIII View Post
    Given the soap-opera nature of many of the relationships, any additional information is likely to be full of surprises. I was looking to add to the player's enjoyment without altering the gameplay at all. Some alterations would still be a big net plus to the player's experience.
    Soap-Opera?? Soap-Opera is not strong enough a word for some of the stuff I (and others) do, but yes an entire collection of volumes on history of my universe would really be nice. Someone once maimed my heir and I'm still curious who, he was married to a heiress and died with no children and so I had to plot to assinate my wife and marry my daughter-in-law!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by InnocentIII View Post
    "YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT."
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    "YOU WON'T LIKE IT."
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    "NO YOU WON'T. YOU'LL MEAN TO STOP, BUT YOU WON'T."
    "Why are you even here? I'm just a Duke, not a King or a Wizard."
    "OH, BUGGER."
    ROFL. Love the reference here. And the idea is pretty awesome too
    What other franchise could make a player nostalgic for consanguinity inheiritance law?

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    This is a fantastic idea. It would be so great if this data could be made available. Also if it could be made availible if I resign from the game since I do not often play thru the hundreds of years to the end, but rather to a preset goal i have. I completely support this idea.

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    There's a mod that tells you how a character died (accident, old age, illness, assassination, etc), but doesn't give info on any plots if it was an assassination.

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    They could just say how they died.
    Like instead of "died on this date" could be something like "died on this date from natural causes".
    Just leaves me wondering how my son could die at the age of 20.
    Was he murdered or did he fall off a horse..

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    so a "journal" after said character dies?

    this is an EXCELLENT idea.

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    Good idea. I second it. I remember that "causes of death" were something that was on the development list but didn't make it into the original release. I forget if it was promised for patches or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mst3k View Post
    Good idea. I second it. I remember that "causes of death" were something that was on the development list but didn't make it into the original release. I forget if it was promised for patches or not.
    The post-mortem dev diary stated that it was on the to-do list. If it doesn't show up in the next few patches I will be terribly surprised. The only drawback I can see is the intense size of savegame files. I have already accumulated over 20GB worth of saves that I have had to delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Manring View Post
    The post-mortem dev diary stated that it was on the to-do list. If it doesn't show up in the next few patches I will be terribly surprised. The only drawback I can see is the intense size of savegame files. I have already accumulated over 20GB worth of saves that I have had to delete.
    It did sound good, but I'm not sure whether they mean just more specifics which the game already generates (natural death, combat etc) or the details I'm looking for, murderer, co-conspirator. Since I'm only looking for player/heir/maybe spouse&children I don't see it adding hugely to the savegame. We'll have to see what they can give us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omfgozk View Post
    They could just say how they died.
    Like instead of "died on this date" could be something like "died on this date from natural causes".
    Just leaves me wondering how my son could die at the age of 20.
    Was he murdered or did he fall off a horse..
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    Great idea!

    Hopefully Paradox developers would take notice of this, I believe it would add a lot of replay value to the game.

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    I couldn't give any references, but I think I remember a dev posting that they wanted to implement death causes in a future patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumdood View Post
    I couldn't give any references, but I think I remember a dev posting that they wanted to implement death causes in a future patch.
    A note on 1.05 - it's great that we get causes of death now, especially that we can mouse over the skull. However, I still think that we should get more information on plots once the game is over. I don't think there is a way, currently, for a mod to hand out this information, that would be a great way to let some have the information if they really want it.
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    rather a "timeline button". with historic files about the character.

    i.e. some deltais of his live: he was famous for his defence against the mongols but infamous for his cruelty. he changed the succesion law to progmiture which he pissed his children off with.
    how he came to power: he came to power after the murder of his father by X, afterwrds his realm fell apart(MUCH reovlts) but he managed to consolididate his power and retun rebels to hsi rule
    how he died: he was later murdered on the orders of his trusted vassel, the duke of X. the duke was backed even by some of his children.

    the timeline has all your played characters and some intresting faily members(5 highest score ones save for player characters). would be neat.

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    OMG yes... YES! You're right that this would be extremely helpful for AAR writers.
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