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moldeh said:
No idea how it happened in the US, but the educated elite were almost always the first to embrace socialism. Trying to explain that stuff to an illiterate 19th century laborer would be much harder than you think.
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I'm sure, yes. And IRL it did take quite some time. The first socialists were indeed wealthy & educated enough. Still, they were only a small percentage of the upper class. A landed aristocrat from some noble house is quite unlikely to embrace socialism, methinks, since socialism would rob him of all his benefits. Same for capitalists.
 
Taylor said:
I'm sure, yes. And IRL it did take quite some time. The first socialists were indeed wealthy & educated enough. Still, they were only a small percentage of the upper class. A landed aristocrat from some noble house is quite unlikely to embrace socialism, methinks, since socialism would rob him of all his benefits. Same for capitalists.
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In pre-revolution Russia a big part of aristocracy were socialists or liberals. Common people were much more conservative. Though I guess clergy/clerks should be main revolutioners.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodnik
 
Buladelu said:
In pre-revolution Russia a big part of aristocracy were socialists or liberals. Common people were much more conservative. Though I guess clergy/clerks should be main revolutioners.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodnik
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Ok, interesting that some of the aristocracy was socialist. Liberal would still make some sense to me, but socialist? Huh. Were they still socialist when the communists looted their property? In any case, I completely agree that some of the aristocracy should definitely be socialist or liberal, and for capitalists it's probably good to have them be liberal in majority, but in the game it's completely out of proportion! Why is 80% of my capitalists socialist? That really makes no sense I think.
 
They've gone socialist because of your policies, not because they like being socialist.

Capis generally have high CON and obsess over social needs due to the lower classes starving. If the middle and poor classes aren't getting their needs, the capis start to ask for the workday to be decreased - which doesn't make a great deal of sense, but then most of the issues and ideology tables currently don't make a great deal of sense anyway.
 
moldeh said:
No idea how it happened in the US, but the educated elite were almost always the first to embrace socialism. Trying to explain that stuff to an illiterate 19th century laborer would be much harder than you think.
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Not really, I mean they in general got the gist of the idea "Take over the state for yourself!" the nitty gritty details where in general more the product of intellectual types but in general workers understood what socialism was.
 
Naselus said:
Capis generally have high CON and obsess over social needs due to the lower classes starving. If the middle and poor classes aren't getting their needs, the capis start to ask for the workday to be decreased - which doesn't make a great deal of sense, but then most of the issues and ideology tables currently don't make a great deal of sense anyway.
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IIEC, reduced workday policy decreases the poor substrata POPs' need for luxury goods, so it might make a lot of sense after all.
 
Having socialist capitalists is a little weird, but atheist clergymen are weirder. I'm sure they're out there somewhere though :)
 
Ftang said:
Having socialist capitalists is a little weird, but atheist clergymen are weirder. I'm sure they're out there somewhere though :)
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I'm guessing you live in Scotland, since anyone who lives in England should already be aware of the phenomenon of atheist clergy :p
 
Ftang said:
Having socialist capitalists is a little weird, but atheist clergymen are weirder. I'm sure they're out there somewhere though :)
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Don't clergy also represent teachers and such?
 
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