tradegood development

[grayfox92]

i was wondering if meiou has an event or something that changes for example wool to cloth or something... i don't mean the provincial decision for arms etc. in the whole world mod is something like that and i would love to have that feature in meiou

if there isn't, i would code it myself if someone is interested, but maybe i will need some help with that

[DDRJake]

I would be against such a thing. Some tradegoods are great and some are garbage, it's just another thing to consider when expanding.

We already have Colonial goods switching from grains to better goods and development of arms/furniture/rum. I really don't think we need more.

[grayfox92]

you have a point there^^ my thought was that it's odd to have a giant empire (for example in far/near east) producing wool and (at some point) the possibility to produce cloth (theoretical) yourself and your population demanding cloth but not doing it, instead importing it from the netherlands in europe :O
what i had in mind was not to change it in every province, i wanted to refer to the demand for a good so that every 5 - 10 wool province you get one cloth but i can't even find how / if thats possible, so i guess i'll lay that on ice for now

[DDRJake]

I'm fairly certain that in this timeframe, taking a province that produces a raw material and making it suddenly change to produce the manufactured version of that good would be fairly implausable. For example, you'd be asking the sheep-wool gathering clansmen of the Scottish Highlands to suddenly gain textile trade skills and produce quality cloth on par with the dutchs'. It would also be a wrecking ball to the supply&demand mechanics that decide product worth which is already a little polarised.

None the less, if it's something you wanted it would be fairly easy to code even if you were just butchering the events that change colonial goods.

[grayfox92]

sure, but if you build a factory in there before and have the same knowledge ( production tech) as the netherlands... but still, i know what you mean, it wouldn't be made of the same quality.

None the less, if it's something you wanted it would be fairly easy to code even if you were just butchering the events that change colonial goods.

yeah? then help me out please most of it is really easy, but is there a way to check if a land has 5 wool provinces for every cloth province? just found that "trade goods" checks the sum of provinces producing one good.

[DDRJake]

the checks are simply "wool = 5" or "steel = 1"

The event would look roughly like this, I imagine

province_event = {

	id = 910000 #whatever
	
	trigger = {
		year = 1600 #after this year it can happen
		owner = { cloth = 1 } #own at least 1 cloth province
		owner = { wool = 5 } #own at least 5 wool provinces
		trade_goods = wool #provnice produces wool
		}
		citysize = 10000 #large populations only
	}

	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 500	#rarity


		modifier = {
			factor = 0.9
			citysize = 15000 #faster for larger populations
                }

	title = 
	desc = 

	option = {
		name = 
		trade_goods = cloth
		}
}

'course you'd need to add localisations and such. I've never really added an event myself.

[grayfox92]

thats roughly what i have
owner = { cloth = 1 } #own at least 1 cloth province
owner = { wool = 5 } #own at least 5 wool provinces

i wanted 5 wool provinces PER cloth province, i think this would make it cloth = wool + 5, isn't it? but thanks so far

E: i'm actually to lazy to make more conditions ( every single case :/) so i was searching for an "elegant" way

[Blxz]

Wait what...? Build a factory? This isn't the industrial revolution here.

[Nivve]

well you can build factories in the game, so it would make it more realistic that the trade good changes like 100 years after you build a factory.
This would be pretty powerful (especially on top of the manufactory bonus), but the factories are 4k a piece, so that would be fitting.

If the scottish were at war witht he netherlands, they could want to make it themselves. However that shouldn't be instant, for that the 100 years (or 100 years mtth) are necessary.

[grayfox92]

thanks nivve, thats what i meant i'm happy that someone put my thoughts perfectly into words since my english is not that good

[Blxz]

A manufactory and a 'factory' are different to my understanding. Also i would think they are unlikely to change a provinces trade good.

[grayfox92]

i'm talking about the trade buildings five and six, factory and steampowered factory and it's not my strong point, but i think that wool is more unlikely to be produced in a factory than cloth or something like that.
you could also switch to a good thats produced in a bordering province, like in tibet wool --> carpet if the other requirements are met.

[gigau]

More events/decisions to switch tradegoods are on the to-do list, although i'm not sure which triggers to set, and how to balance it (and it's currently not high on the to-do list).

[grayfox92]

yeah, the balancing :P if get my events done, i'll post them here, so that you can (if you want) use it i would be happy to save you some time for the difficult modding

[Nivve]

Although I have to agree trhat manufactories and factories are differently portraid, I still think it;s a nice idea to have manufactories change trade goods (see my last post). It would be very expensive and the mtth would guarantee that it cannot be used instantly. It would give you some kind of control (how little that may be) to add some flavour.

It could even be linked to the events that are on the to-do lists. Something like:
Normally the event has a mtth of 200 years, but with a manufactory it's x0.8. Just like a same culture influences core acquisition.

[grayfox92]

just a quick question, does it matter where i put the tags? for example is that

modifier = {
factor = 0.95
citysize = 10000
}

the same as that?

modifier = { factor = 0.95
citysize = 10000 }

[gigau]

just a quick question, does it matter where i put the tags? for example is that

modifier = {
factor = 0.95
citysize = 10000
}

the same as that?

modifier = { factor = 0.95
citysize = 10000 }

Same, yes. You can even write :

modifier = { factor = 0.95 citysize = 10000 }

[grayfox92]

great, thanks for the hint this will make it a lot easier

[gigau]

At your service

[grayfox92]

#	05		wool -> cloth
#	06		wool -> carpet
# 	07		gold, silver & diamonds [glassware] -> jewelery
#	08		grain, millet, maize -> livestock
#	09		low value good -> services
#	10		lumber, hemp -> naval supplies


#################################################################


province_event = {									# wool --> cloth
id = 9000005
	
trigger = {
			OR = { has_building = factory has_building = workshop has_building = textile }
			owner = { wool = 10 } 
			owner = { cloth = 1 }
			owner = { production_tech = 26 }		# not before 1550
			trade_goods = wool 
		}

	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 1

		modifier = { factor = 0.7 has_building = steam_powered_factory }
		modifier = { factor = 0.6 has_building = textile }
		
		modifier = { factor = 0.6 has_country_flag = IndId }
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 has_building = university }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 citysize = 10000 }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 citysize = 20000 }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 citysize = 30000 }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 Not = { mercantilism_freetrade = -1 } }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 Not = { mercantilism_freetrade = -3 } }
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 Not = { innovative_narrowminded = -3 } }
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 Not = { innovative_narrowminded = -1 } }
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 technology_group = western }
		modifier = { factor = 0.95 production_efficiency = 1 }
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 production_efficiency = 1.5 }
		
		modifier = { factor = 0.9 owner = { production_tech = 33 } }					#average year = 1636
		modifier = { factor = 0.85 owner = { production_tech = 39 } }					#average year= 1700
		modifier = { factor = 0.75 owner = { production_tech = 48 } }					#average year = 1735
		modifier = { factor = 0.6 owner = { production_tech = 64 } }					#average year = 1798
		
		modifier = { factor = 1.2 NOT = { owner = { production_tech = 33 } } }			#before year = 1636   / not towards industrialisation
		modifier = { factor = 1.2 mercantilism_freetrade = 1 }
		modifier = { factor = 1.2 innovative_narrowminded = 1 }
		modifier = { factor = 1.1 NOT = { technology_group = western } }
		}
	
title = "EVTNAME9000005"
desc = "EVTDESC9000005"

immediate = { clr_country_flag = IndId }
	
	option = { name = "EVTOPTA9000005"
		trade_goods = cloth
		owner = { treasury = -250 }
		set_country_flag = IndId			#Ind[ustrial]Id[ol]
			}
	option = { name = "EVTOPTB9000005"
		trade_goods = cloth					#just change
		owner = { treasury = -100 }
			}
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTC9000005"
		owner = { treasury = 250 }			#prevent them from developing
			}
		}

what do you think of this?
the developments above are what i'm going to do in this style^^